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GAMBARAN MAKKAH TERKINI [NOVEMBER 2010]
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Friday, April 16, 2010
Hard questions for religion to answer
Friday, 06 November 2009 21:09
Religion and science have always been at odds with each other. Religion says science can't prove that God does not exist. Science says religion can't prove that God does. Another thing that science and religion can't agree on is the age of mother earth. Let us see what both religion and science have to argue about the matter.
NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin
Archbishop James Ussher of Armagh, Ireland, attempted to find the age of the earth by following the chronological genealogies in the scriptures. His erroneous calculations greatly influenced Christians of his day. For example, he calculated 1 BC to 1 AD, by counting the year zero. The problem was, there is no year zero. In other words, if an event occurs in 1 BC, and lasts to 1 AD, this is only 1 year. So, in order to get an accurate count when crossing the year zero, we must always adjust for this. Archbishop Ussher did not, and this threw his whole calendar off. One might charitably say that this was an easy mistake to make, nevertheless it also illustrates the carelessness with which he made decisions concerning numbers.
Many Christians of his day quickly accepted his date of creation as 4004 BC, and unfortunately it was placed within the margin of the King James Bible as a reference. This action immediately gave it a certain credibility, authority, and widespread appeal to the public. However, it was in no way a legitimate study of the age of the earth.
The Jews have another calculation. 30 September 2008 through 18 September 2009 corresponded to Hebrew year 5769 while the Hebrew year 5770 began at sundown on the evening of 18 September 2009 and will end on 8 September 2010.
The year 5770 on the Jewish calendar represents the number of years since God created the world, as calculated by adding up the ages of people in the Bible back to the time of creation. However, it is important to note that this date is not necessarily supposed to represent a scientific fact.
So there you have it. The world is only 5,770 years old according to the Jews. Some believe it is 10,000 years old. Going by the genealogies of Genesis 5 and 11, though, the world was created on 11013 BC. That makes the world 13,022 years old according to some Christians.
The scientists say the world is billions of years old.
Who is correct? Religion or science?
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written by eagle22, November 06, 2009 21:49:53
Pete,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
this is great, take a break.
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written by Watchdog, November 06, 2009 21:52:27
Mahathir will have his answer which he will claim is right.
Samy will have his 'act of God; answer
Toyol will say his dukuns in Indonesia have the answer
The Pirate of Pangkor will look up the Hindu almanac and keep quiet about where he got his answer
Ghani Ptui el will look to Najib for the answer
Najib will check the Mongolian calendar
Hassan Ali will cross over to Sadao in Thailand to get some answer ( and get inspiration with perspiration)
And I dont give a shit how old the planet is because it is not going to make Malaysia any better knowing it!!!!!!!!!!
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written by quietguy, November 06, 2009 21:58:43
RPK, you claim to compare religion with science, but you only mention Christianity and Judaism. Not all religions make such nonsensical claims.
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written by tom73my, November 06, 2009 22:29:41
Hi RPK,
Ricky Gervais speaks about animal and bible. Funny but worth having a thought about religion. Have a good weekend!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_EXqdJ4L7I
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written by Wudan, November 06, 2009 22:39:23
Thanks RPK, now I know how to answer my nephew when he asked why dinosaurs are not mentioned in the bible and especially none are found in Noah's Ark.
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written by CatV5, November 06, 2009 22:46:34
Here's some interesting stuff to ponder
2 billion years for life
6 million years for hominid
100,000 years for mankind as we know it
10,000 years agriculture
400 years scientific revolution
150 years industrial revolution
50 year information age?
10 year?
1 year?
1 day?
neo human? homo spiritus? We're all dead?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saxX-Z6w3p4)
we're seeing an acceleration of evolution here guys... don't be stuck on the old paradigm... like it or not the evolution wave is coming...
Those who still hold to the old belief let them go... forget those baggage... let's embrace a new thinking. Discover new possibilities...
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written by cylee, November 06, 2009 22:48:20
This is my hard questions to those Muslim Hypocrite too...
"Oih...Mohamed Khusrin Munawi.. apakah mak engkau takda rahim ke? kamu ni lahir kedunia ni dari lubang mana? kalau bukan rahim? ka.. kamu keluar dari lubang najis mak kau? patutlah.. mulut dan otak kau ni busuk lagi tak guna macam najis.
kalau lah kamu tak hormat mak engkau, janganlah sampai perempuan sedunia kamu hina. U tahu tak Rahim tu adalah lubang yang paling suci? Tempat ni selain bagi kamu shok tak habis, ia juga adalah pintu untuk semua umat manusia langkah masuk ke dunia ni,.. termasuk Propet Mohamed.
Oi si KJ ketua pemuda UMNO apa kata kamu ...? adakah kamu pun setuju dengan si Khusdis ni? Janganlah hanya tahu nak shyok dengan lubang rahim tu saja... bila sebulan sekali ia datang kitaran haid, kamu tuduh rahim tu kotor pulak.. cuma kerana waktu 7 hari tu you tak boleh shyok..?? Hamsap betullah pemuda umno dan Hipokrit pengarah JAIS in.. bertauliah kunon??? Dan bagi maklumat kamu..stiap masa ada bejuta wanita yang sengsara kerana kitaran haid yang tak teratur atau tak datang haid langsung?? Adakah kamu ni nak disumpah semua kerabat wanita keluarga kamu akan tak ada kitaran haid?? memandangkan kamu ni adalah begitu hina bagi perkara ni..Buat malu umat islam sahaja. Ajaran sesat umno apa ni..? yang dia ni ikut?
Jangan lupa Tuhan sentiasa tahu apa yang kamu niat dalam hati.. dan Tuhan adalah paling murka mereka yang berlagak atas namaNya"
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written by SocratesI, November 06, 2009 22:57:40
This is quite simple to understand. The Age of the present day Civilization is as old as anyone can remember from the ancient records, maybe up to 13,000 years old. However, there may have been many cycles of Civilizations each having been wiped out by some global catastrophe, switching over of the North & South poles, meteors/ asteroids hitting the Earth, shifting of the Earth's axis (The Artic & Antartic used to be at the Equator, and will be again someday), extra strong solar winds from the Sun, extra strong Cosmic winds once the Sun aligns with the Earth and the Centre of the Milky Way Galaxy, (2012 - this is due to happen), super-volcanoes, etc.
Science meanwhile, is measuring with carbon-dating and other methods, the age of the planet Earth, and that is millions of years. After all, now that we can see almost to the centre of our Universe, we can see the moment of the Big Bang and the Universe is 13.4 Billion years old according to the light years calculated.
So where religion is talking about Civilization, science is talking about the Age of the Earth. Of course we get different results !
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written by miwaki, November 06, 2009 23:03:09
By the way,when was God created ?
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written by Proarte, November 06, 2009 23:05:46
Actually it is not true that Judaism and Christianity mention the age of the earth. The age is based on speculation and ones man guess is good as another.
Was Adam created by God as a infant? Who clothed and breast fed infant Adam? In the Bible it describes Adam as a grown man when he was 1st created. He may have 'lived' 930 years on earth but how old was he when he was 'created'? He could have been 4 billion years old!!
The apostle Peter wrote: “ do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day” (2 Peter 3:.
One can conclude from that statement that God is outside time.
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written by Oscar Winner, November 06, 2009 23:40:40
Till God appears in front of me or gives me some signs, I will not accept whatever that has been said about when earth was created, which religion is great, right or wrong. Damn, I do good as much as I can. If that still leads me to hell, so be it. Like TDM's famous line...."Has anyone from Pas gone to heaven and come back to tell you that you will go to heaven if you join Pas??" Damn...!!! How old is planet earth?? UMNO has the answer. They are god, aren't they??
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written by truthbespoken, November 06, 2009 23:51:34
Thanks eagle22. I enjoyed your u-tube posting tremendously. Hahahahahahahahahaha!
George Carlin is both a funny and intelligent old comedian. Experience and good sense is certainly reflected from what he said.. take a break guys..hahahahahaha!
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written by Umar Rentaka, November 07, 2009 00:27:47
Seeesh..... The Srimad Bhagavatam says the universe is more than 150 trillion years old.
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written by Steven Ong, November 07, 2009 00:30:38
Its only the opinions of man. As God created all things , then science is from God. And many things are yet to be discovered . What we knew today looks like a grain of sand on the beach and yet we dare to say that God does not exist? Those who asked.' Who created God?' seems to forget the the hairs on his head ( if he has any ) Because he think, so he asked what is logical to him. Had he understand all things? Nay.... not even more than a grain of sand on the beach. Somehow some think that God is like us, because we read that we are made in the image of God?
If one were to look around him carefully , one would see the perfection of all things and be amazed or should one take things for granted?
A buddhist does not care where things come from but where he wants to go. A Hindu thinks the same way and just live his life. Is that all there is? A scientist lives to discover all that are to be discover. Dose he cares who made them? Nay...... Science is branch of learning from what we observed and applied it for our use. Science is not to prove what is true or false but to learn what there is.
Whereas religion is a way of life to guide us as we exist. God has nothing to do with religion or science. One can live without any religion but not science. For science is part of life or else nothing exist.
Yet one can be one with God when he chooses to be. Or dead if he chooses not to be. The choice is yours.
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written by johnT, November 07, 2009 01:24:41
This might be an intresting answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...PL&index=1
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written by CatV5, November 07, 2009 01:38:29
We have these wide range of instincts...
Curiosity...
Passion...
Discovery...
Scientist fully utilizing these instincts...
Reliance..
Pride..
Upholding...
Religionist mostly fully utilizing these...
Money
Power
Conflict
Materialist fully utilizing these instincts...
Family
Survival
Reproduction
The most ancient mammalian instincts. Almost all of us who doesn't care much about all of those above utilizing these strongly...
So you see everybody have their most highest inner instincts... I would concur nobody is right or wrong. It's just that they didn't realize their most dominant instincts taking over their conscious...
And it is their right for fully utilizing them... and their responsibility to face the consequences....
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written by CatV5, November 07, 2009 01:52:23
Sorry should've explain a bit more..
for the religionist, that includes Patriots, and Racist, terorist.. same behavior different objectives and different degree of action...
Materialist includes politicians, businessman, capitalist, monarchs etc.. rich people have these... we know how they behave...
Scientists also includes explorers, nature lovers, mathematicians, inventors, artist and what not... these guys are junkies when it comes to knowledge.. mat rempits and drug addicts are also in these categories... they are so passionate they sometimes got trapped and don't care about their life...
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written by malaysiaunited, November 07, 2009 02:02:54
Mapillai Petra! My advice to u is don't let inner thoughts be so explicit! You r already half politician with the amount of proposals as NEXT LEADER!
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 07, 2009 04:24:14
The bibles were written from the year 700 BC to 76 AD. We had those from the day of Judaism to Christianity. You can't expect the writers or recorders to understand science. Archbishop James Ushher was not a scientist or astronomer either. So there is no surprise that his assumptions were flawed.
All religions better confine what they can do best and avoid clashes with the scientists. Go and preach salvation to those who lost direction as teaching them science won't make any difference anyway.
This world consists of the intelligent and the dumb. But there are theologians and clerics who think they are scientists. And when they opened their mouths you will see where this stupidity came from.
But I cannot end this contribution without implicating those who capitalise on people who are hungry of spiritual and religious need. Just like the many rulers in history using religion to mainatain loyalty and submissiveness, UMNO/BN is famous and even notoriously surpassing the Pharoahs of Egypt.
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written by KotaDamansara73, November 07, 2009 09:15:39
Basically RPK is a moderate and partially progressive muslim but pro Shariah law man.
Is Shariah law were to be implemented in Malaysia, no matter how good they said shariah law is, you will see an increase in emigration and money out of this country.
I will never recommend any Malaysia to stay in Malaysia if Shariah law is implemented.
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written by jaz, November 07, 2009 09:19:04
Wudan, the ark is not big enough to accommodate 1 dinosaur, not not mention all of them. Hahaha.
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written by cruzeiro, November 07, 2009 09:19:28
Pete,
Nobody can prove the age of the earth - at best, they can hypothesize.
While many creationists seek to interpret the scriptures literally, it can only be understood should they take it as an allegory. Same goes with prophecies -you can mouth them as simply beautiful words, or look for the message between the lines".
It is like reading Lord of the Rings or Narnia - you can see them as allegories (as you should), or simply a fantasy with a good storyline.
Let me ask a simple question - do you think barbarians at the time of Abraham or Moses would've understood (or even be able to fathom) a million years? Do you think Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) meant everything he said literally? No.
They needed to say things in such a way that the people would understand.
Much like how we teach "rocket science" to school children......
So let us not belittle the scriptures written by the inspired men of old, eh? If not for anything else, let us not have another round of "insulting Islam" (or Christianity, for that matter) case on our hands, with a report made by the man with 2 Muhammads to his name
By the way, where is this fella now - very quiet these days, ain't he?
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written by jaz, November 07, 2009 09:20:03
There are many contradictions and hypocrisy in the holy books.
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written by cruzeiro, November 07, 2009 09:45:30
Oh yes - good to know that you're having a good time visiting museums
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written by DontPlayGod, November 07, 2009 09:52:46
How come people still believe in the Adam and Eve fairy tale? If we are all descendents of this couple, then the world will have only one race, and not only that, the human race spread because the children of Adam and Eve committed incest!
Yet science says that more than a hundred million years ago, if we believe in creation, God first created the dinausors, etc. Did he create human beings at that time, too?(more than a hundred million years ago). But our written history of human civilizations date back to only a few thousand years. Adam and Eve must have arrived only say more than 10,000 years or so ago. And how did the scriptures know and write about these two people? Remember the primitive peoples of old lived in caves and in the jungles, and even on trees, without any knowledge of even speech and a written language. Even now there are some peoples in some remote jungle areas who do not have a written language and still live a primitive lives.
Are we to understand, if science is right, i.e. that the dinausors, etc. were created by God more than a hundred million years ago before he even thought of creating human beings. Perhaps, he created the human race as a afterthought. And that too, more than a hundred million years later, after the Jurassic age.
And this is the reason I've always urged people to have an open mind on religions, read and learn(don't limit your reading to only the Koran, read scriptures of other religions). Read all types of books, articles, and writings of expert scientists, etc. And don't become a Taliban or Islamist(beliving in an Islamic state). Yes, keep an open mind and listen and read up on any subjects to learn. Don't be like Jais, etc.
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written by temenggong, November 07, 2009 10:11:12
The Hindu puranas says this current creation is 4.32 billion years old, and that is one manvantara. There are a hundred such manvantaras after which there is Dissolution.
Dinosaur bones have been carbon dated to be 200 million years old. The earliest hominids have been carbon dated to be 4 million years old.
Man has been around for millions of years! So there is no question on science or religion. Religious theories on humans is legends and supersitions based on ignorance or limited knowledge.
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written by cruzeiro, November 07, 2009 10:11:25
Perhaps, he created the human race as a afterthought ....
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LOL- Yeah man, maybe it was a plan B after all!!!
But then again, you could always say that "God had a plan" ... a grand design of sorts, and man was just a small part of it - which men in their conceit, think is the crowning glory of "creation" itself!!
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written by eeyaw, November 07, 2009 10:11:37
Pete,nice walk through on a controversial subject but I would assume that GOD creates Religion and gifted humanity with the knowledge of science, the former is based on faith while the latter is through a logical deduction or plainly facts. So I am of the opinion that only GOD knows how old is Earth and when it will end. Everything else is hearsay not to mention what umno & its cohorts claim to know .
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written by cheemengwong, November 07, 2009 11:01:54
A prophetic year would be equal to a thousand years on earth.
God created man on the 6th day and rested on the 7th, therefore earth was around 6,000 years before Adam came around.
The earth would be more than 13,000 years!
But who cares? We only live 3 scores 10. Better spend the time praising and worshipping God correctly, otherwise we shall become another misguided Major Nidah Hassan of Ford Hood army base!
Misguided, misdirected is very serious matter. Everybody is misguided sometimes or another but our compass must be correct one. Which compass? Choose nicely.
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written by myke, November 07, 2009 11:03:37
If u follow science(evolution) then u know religions are bullshits, if you follow religion then u keep your eyes and ears closed to scientific facts.
Do you know of any religious conutry that advanced scientifically.?
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written by johanssm, November 07, 2009 11:26:49
Religion alone cannot provide all the answers as that is not the intention.
Otherwise it will not purposely state the word wisdom and to learn things.
None of the books stated the real age of earth / world or universe
However adam and eve were mentioned .
Maybe as modern day human form as we see today.
We know we are not from adam .
But the story must start from somewhere easily absorb by the commons.
Religion can be only be use as a guide to face daily life and to make life more meaningful instead of more difficult.
It was those people who thinks that they knew more and starts adding more and more things .
Just like those from jais .
Adding more and more things until out of control.
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written by bobdylan, November 07, 2009 11:41:22
God is Dead-Neitzche
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written by bobdylan, November 07, 2009 11:41:53
Neitzcshe is Dead - God
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written by bobdylan, November 07, 2009 11:55:31
Jewish rabbi's say that the first man Adam was gifted with a soul and thus making him the first man, the rest before him were souless, kinda like zombies. Which kinda explains why the 'new man" wiped out the neandthrals and cro magnons. But the idea of a soul dates back millions of years according to history. interesting! God can explain science but science cant explain God. Science is very new, at one end of the spectrum, slowly progressing to the other end where science will meet God and reconsile. When it comes to sprituality, science is dumb founded, it all of a sudden doesn't make sense, thus science denies that Ghost exist. Only God can explain this. Anyway He is a Omniscient and we will never be able to understand Him, not in this life. I quote the Bible....With God nothing is impossible....even the earth's rotation can change at His will. TQ.
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written by gorshan, November 07, 2009 12:12:09
you're here. isnt that proof enough of God, your Creator?
ask yourself this simple questions.
the dust,the men that cames from the dust,the rocks,plants,trees,air,water,earth,sun,stars. where did it comes from?
did something out of nothing just decides to comes into existence, just like that,with a flick of the fingers?
go in a straight line in space.will you ever reach the end? just thinking this one scenario can you makes you go mad.
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a arrogant man of science came face to face with God and says to God "what so great you can create men from clay. so can i. see this lump of clay in my hand? i, too will make a breathing man out of it"
and God said "go ahead, but first create your own clay"
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written by advocatusdiaboli, November 07, 2009 12:31:50
Whyla? U fellas all worried about year 2012 is it? . Lets all go watch the movie shall we?
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written by batsman, November 07, 2009 12:46:02
Does it come as any surprise that the scientists themselves cannot agree on the date of the Big Bang? Some say 30 billions years, some say longer - more like 35 billion. Some even don't agree with the Big Bang theory. Others find it difficult to explain why almost all the laws of physics were broken at the instant of the Big Bang. Common guys! Stop worshiping science! You are fed a load of hogwash and you say it is the god given truth. heeheehee
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written by Mirage, November 07, 2009 13:19:33
RPK,
Whatever the age of earth is, how evolution worked, science or religion has not change the human behaviour of selfishness, and greed neither have we learned from it. While most of us are god fearing ppl, some are using religion for their purposeful gain and when it suites them. Similarly with science, again the use for their own purposeful gain with high tech weapons which eventually determines who is the head of the world.
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written by JJFoo, November 07, 2009 13:30:46
Come-on RPK,
Look for facts, go to the scientists (may not be 100% correct but close). Look for fairy tales go to religious texts. The people of the book aren’t totally at fault as they don’t have the luxury of the scientific facts thousands of years back then. They can only guess and accept what is within their understanding.
If you have a chance of lighting up a lighter in front of a community of early primitive humanoid, I am sure among them there will be a few smart suckers who will call you “GOD” and the rest will have no choice but agree. The few who proclaimed you as god will fright to be your representative or folower as it will come with power over the others and will try their best to glorify you beyond believe just to stay powerfully relevant.
If God really created the Garden of Eden for mankind, then god started his handiworks billions of years ago (earth is about 5 billion years old according to acceptable scientific facts). Earliest modern human written history recorded are about 5,000 years ago and we were taught in school in the 70’s that civilisation started 5,000 years back then, craps! Let presume modern human become “civilised” about 50,000 years ago, against a back span of 5 billion years, mathematically is about 0.001% of the total time God spent on his handiworks. Do you really think mankind of this moment in time could comprehend what “GOD” is really about?
Is it some suckers who wanted to act like God, forbidding everything incomprehensible to their narrow minded mentality in the name God and worst of all, killing in the name of God. Telling everybody what’s God are like or should be like.
God if exist, is sure a sucker, who seems to work in a very mysterious way. Many human thought they are God just because they could count or maybe count better than other. We are worst of than primate trying to figure out how a lighter works when God are concerned. Maybe that’s how God prefer thing to be.
When my daughter was six years old year when she asked “God created man, who created God?” Wanted to answer her “man himself”, it is only the Gods others peoples thought they knew and wanted us to know. Might be too complicated for her, or maybe not but I chooses to hold my tongue, I am still contemplating whether to speak my mind on this matter to her (she is now eight).
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written by temenggong, November 07, 2009 13:42:01
Hominids and chimpanzees diverged from each other 6 to 8 million years ago. Neanderthals and humans split from a common ancestor hominids around 660,000 years ago. Neanderthals became extinct just 14,000 years ago. DNA studies have shown the exoduc out of africa from 140,000 in three waves. The irrefutable evidence is already there.
We are essentially monkeys!
Religious believers should get over it, that they have been very wrong insofar as creation, human evolution and history. They just didn't have the information before. We can say that religions have been a monumental failure in recording human history, it being nothing more than a collection of legends, tales and wishful thinking. Lots of religious ideas collapse with this.
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written by lynn, November 07, 2009 13:53:39
RPK. this is a fairly mild piece. Most readers don't realise yr msg: you play carrom, you hit the red one so that it would bounce off to hit black & white ones. Bingo. Both went into the hole.
As for god's existence, it is a man-made creation. God must appear now, today, this minute to confirm his presence. Such a simple request, he cannot even entertain. But we all know abt the sun, as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow. Self-evident. No religious crazies on this earth ever dare to go around & tell people, you must believe in the sun's existence! Because the sun's existence is easily provable.
But god, almighty... cannot be proven but have to be accepted via 'faith' - that's how religions are founded - on the unprovable. Personally, I find some religions are like a big con game. You MUST believe in God to go to heaven. You MUST not question the existence of God. You MUST swallow what they tell you whole. You MUST not ask any questions. Just submit. Yeh, some fcuking xtians tried to convert me, told me to submit. Submissive. Be Obedient. Just Follow Blindly. Yeh right!
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written by lynn, November 07, 2009 13:58:20
Recently I recd a booklet fr a xtian. Inside was this message,"God feels your pain". It instantly reminded me of what Pak Lah said to zombies in bodohland after the disastrous outcome of GE12 for BN, "we hear you". He heard us? He sounded like the priest who said 'god hears us, feels our pain'. It's just bloody empty rhetoric. It's farting via the facial edifice.
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written by umstudent, November 07, 2009 14:08:38
Uncle Pete, have you read the book "The Quran Unchallengeable Miracle"? If you don't, you can read it here. That is if you're interested of course.
http://www.quranmiracles.com/
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written by Super Admin, November 07, 2009 14:18:41
Dear umstudent, have you seen the series of VCDs/DVDs in English and Malay by Harun Yahya which I produced?
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written by umstudent, November 07, 2009 14:42:54
Series of VCDs/Dvds by Harun Yahya?
The dvd/vcd not. As for the guy himself, I've read a few of his article in his website. But since he actually belief in imam Mahdi and second coming of Jesus, which I didn't agree with, I don't explore much about his work. Have seen his book in library refuting Darwin theory of evolution, but since I haven't read about Darwin's theory yet, I guest I'll read it some other time, God willing.
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written by siewchinteo, November 07, 2009 15:17:24
Thanks for the laugh Eagle22
So now that we know how old earth is, give or take a couple of million years, will it die soon?
and i mean a natural death and not murdered.....
by MAN.
speaking of which, how old is mankind?
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 07, 2009 15:42:26
DontPlayGod,
I think you are a lot confused. Scientists did not say that God created the dinasaurs hundreds over million years ago. Scientists said that all living things evolved without a creator. Before the dinasaurs there were trillions and trillions of species including plants colonised the earth. The earth is more than 3 billion yrs old and how do we know? Read things on paleanthology, geomophology and natural sciences. You are eons behind modern knowledge my dear friend.
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 07, 2009 16:01:32
umstudent,
You are too slow in pursuing knowledge. I don't think reading Darwin's book will make any change to you. You should have strong knowledge on bilology to understand Darwin and you should have read it during your secondary education.
If you happen to grab and read his books always remember that he propounded the theory not based on opinion but supported by his findings on the diversification of species and how isolation has evolved them to acquire specific characteristics. The study of evolution doesn't stop with Darwin but modern scientific knowledge has progressed fo far that reading his book can be a good start but can be a bad approach. All depend on you to pursue knowledge and not reading articles which disputed the theory and you end up confused or reject the theory for reasons I found very very stupid.
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 07, 2009 16:12:19
batsman,
I think you are reading too much books that lack credibility. Concentrate on New Scientist, Nat Geographic or even the Times or Newsweek. All credible scientists agree that a big bang has occured as the traces of the explosive event are still being received. You are right that all atoms and molecules behavior defied modern physics during its initial stage milliseconds before expanding in massive explosion and expansion. That scientist cannot create the situation in the laboratory as the temperature and pressure is near finitesimal. How many years ago tjat big bang took place is simple that we thought it was 20 billions but new findings suggest that it is even more than that.
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written by bobdylan, November 07, 2009 16:12:39
Dear Melly,
Cain and Abel married their own sisters. The bible that you read has ommited many books like the book of Enoch and The life of Adam.(refer to wikipedia on Adam) Also Adam's life overlapped until before the Flood which could explain the other people. Anyway, Adam was the 1st homosapien.....so the others on earth could have been ...example homoerectus. I mean they ve found "Lucy" dating back about 30000 years ago. Adam is only 6000 years according to reliogionist. See science is explaining about God's creation.
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written by umstudent, November 07, 2009 16:25:56
Dear Rohani Hitam.
Sorry if it bother you I'm too slow in pursuing knowledge, but I didn't take biology so I guest maybe that's why I haven't read about his work yet. Beside, maybe because I'm only in my 3rd year of my undergraduate engineering courses contribute to me not knowing enough about this theory of evolution. But hey, people can come out with thousand of excuses, right? Sorry again if it bother you.
As for the Harun Yahya, the article from him that I've read is not about how he refuted the Darwin theory, but article about the Mahdi and second coming of Jesus which I didn't agree and most of it based on conjencture and made up stories. That made me less interested in his work.
And for once, where did you find I've said I've rejected Darwin theory of evolution? I only said I didn't read his book yet, therefore I didn't read the book that want to prove his theory is wrong. What's wrong with that?
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 07, 2009 16:29:44
Melly,
You got trouble in understanding human evolution. Don't try to connect homo erectus with the bible. They are two separate doctrine. Lucy's ancestors also evolved from the earlier homonid and in no way at any time Lucy or her descendants for that matter has evolved to become Adam. Scientists say that we evolved away from the other apes some 8 million years ago. The other apes evolved too but remain much of their characteristics as the natural selection revolved around them living in the jungle or trees. Some came down to earth occasionally but human made drastic changes due to environmental pressure that selects the best to propagate like what we are now. We have developed so much skill that it has increased our survivability until today.
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 07, 2009 16:55:45
Dear umstudent,
I must apologise for the sudden outburst. I was too engrossed with other contributions that I may have confused along the way. Anyway just be careful what you read as there are many "professors" out there.
But I have to caution you that the theory of evolution (Origin of Species) by Darwin and later by all the credible naturalists, paleonthologist and anthropologists supporting him further is in contrary with the teaching of the Creation (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). So may choose to avoid reading it as it may not be good for your faith. But if you insisted, read them as a source of modern scientific knowledge and just explore other experts findings and theories.
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written by DontPlayGod, November 07, 2009 20:10:35
Rohani Hitam,
No, I am not the the least confused. I think you are. Religions like Islam and Chrisitianity says that God created the world and all things in the universe and all living things. But science says that the dinausors, and the Jurassic Age are 70 to more than a hundred million years old. But the human race, how old is it? Did God create the human race during the Jurassic Age(more than a 100 million years ago) which means Adam and Eve must be more than a hundred million years ago.
Is this possible? That means the human race is more than a 100 million years old, if we believe in God and creation. And how did we get to know of Adam and Eve if they came into being more than a 100 million years ago. But written records of history is only less than 5000 years old and the Chinese claim that their civilization is the oldest continuous civilization.
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written by Umar Rentaka, November 08, 2009 11:04:50
Dear Rohani Hitam,
have you read "Nature's IQ" by Balazs Hornyyanszky nad Istvan Tasi?
If not, please do get a copy or write to me.
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written by Umar Rentaka, November 08, 2009 11:10:00
http://www.naturesiq.com/reviews.html
for reviews of this book: Nature"s IQ
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written by Umar Rentaka, November 08, 2009 11:12:41
A Positive Contribution to Humanity
In scientific circles the theory of evolution is widely accepted as factual. Books like Nature’s IQ remind us, however, that it is only a theory, and a theory with serious drawbacks at that. Traditionally it has been difficult to explain how entirely new organs composed of parts that must be simultaneously present for their functionality could actually evolve. Although theories such as that of co-option attempt to account for these, they actually fall short, and end up sounding like so much storytelling in the name of science, with little factual evidence supporting them. Nature’s IQ shows that complex behavior often associated with new organs is also difficult to explain in an evolutionary way, and the book offers many, many colorfully illustrated examples.
It addition to challenging evolutionary conceptions and proposing a version of intelligent design, Nature’s IQ offers an explanation from ancient India’s vast collection of writings as an alternative. This is coupled with references to empirical studies consistent with the Vedic world view. Thus Nature’s IQ has more of a positive contribution to offer humanity than most literature questioning the viability of evolutionary theory.
The philosophical questions introduced at the end of each chapter for which an answer is promised in final chapter create curiosity and generate an interest to read further and are a nice touch.
I recommend this book to anyone seriously interested in science and the origin and meaning of life. —Christopher Beetle, Computer Science, Brown University
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written by Umar Rentaka, November 08, 2009 11:20:26
A Novel Contribution to the Intelligent Design Literature
Hungarian scientists Balazs Hornyanszky and Istvan Tasi offer a novel contribution to the intelligent design literature by extending Michael Behe's theory of irreducible complexity from biological form to biological behavior. Where did the mysterious instincts of animals originate? Nature's IQ.
The authors document more than 100 astonishing, unexplained phenomena from the animal kingdom, with 200 amazing color pictures. The authors point out how Darwinian "just so" stories fail to explain these irreducibly complex instincts and behaviors. This book is a valuable addition to any library for it's amazing photos of animal life and it's catalog of fascinating animal behavior regardless of whether you believe they were a product of random mutations and natural selection or a product of artful, purposeful design............
— Access Research Network
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written by carribeanking7, November 08, 2009 15:55:14
Does it really matter ? At one point some religionist opined the earth was flat.
Where we (Humanity) are going is infinitely more important thanwhere we have been, we bicker endlessly about yesterday and tommorow, while we do very little about the here and now.
desiderata - by max ehrmann
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is perennial as the grass.
Take kindly to the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.
Vijay Kumar Murugavell
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 08, 2009 23:10:15
Hi DontPlay God,
"But science says that the dinausors, and the Jurassic Age are 70 to more than a hundred million years old. But the human race, how old is it?"
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Human evolved from hominid form to become homo sapiens. Between the hominid to homo sapien there were other evolving species like the autralophitecus africanus, homoerectus etc and finally homo sapien sapien and that is what we are. Our ancestors were separated from the other hominid (e.g primitive apes) some 3-8 million years ago and they too evolved on their own.
"Did God create the human race during the Jurassic Age(more than a 100 million years ago) which means Adam and Eve must be more than a hundred million years ago"
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According to science there was no creator. Life started on earth 2 billion years ago from a simple cell and now we have diversification, thanks to evolution.The dinasaurs existed frome 250 to 60 million years ago while homo sapien is less than 1 million years. Sorry the dinasaurs had never got a chance to meet human as they became extinct 60 million years ago.
And how did we get to know of Adam and Eve if they came into being more than a 100 million years ago.
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Sorry my friend the story of Adam and Eve appeared in the Jewish scriptures during 400 to 100 BC. Some jokers calculated the year tobe 4000BC. Science in not in the mood to buy the argument that there was Adam and Eve. They are just human creation trying to figure out how they exist. They have no access to scientific knowledge so you cannot blame them.
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written by Steven Ong, November 08, 2009 23:31:53
All the arguments and statements about creations and man shows that we are a lost tribe on a planet spinning since when, no one knows. From these, would we not agreed that science can explained how things work and hypothesize about others? And religion is all about morality and right living? The sciptures of all religions are just a moral story to teach us about living right. The scriptures are also a history of the people in the books. So Adam and Eve are just the ancestor of the people around the Middle East? The Jews and the Arabs are the descendents of Adam and Eve as the scriptures says. So there must be other Adams and Eves around the earth? These are some questions we can think of.
Evolution is just a hypothesis put forward by Darwin. If it is true then we are also evolving into a new creature as evolution theory teaches about constant transformation of the world. But do we look different from the time history was written? Not a bit. Do we need wings to fly as the birds? And what about all other living creatures? A dog is still a dog from the begining. Would one day a dog become a man? Why would a dog wants to remain a dog? If one were to look around, all living things existing today are perfect in their own ways. Can one improves any existing single thing? A dog, a cat or a banana tree? Nay........... improving the yeild or chaging the colours does not in any way change its original form. So Darwin's theory of evolution is just a hypothesis and not the truth.
To the atheist, all they believed is what they are and what there is. They just live, work to live and enjoy ,then they die. Its their faith sort of. So by faith we live and follows a set way of life as we think its right. We shouldnt be arguing about this and that, but to find ways that all agreed ,to live together peacefully and enjoy all the things there is together. By right, there shouldnt be any poor or hungry. And we are arguing and fighting each other to see who is right and selfishly oppressing and persecuting others to proves it. An evil and wicked generation indeed.
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 09, 2009 00:13:46
Hi Steve Ong,
I like your part of your last paragraph tha we should stop arguing and find ways that all can agree so that we can live peacefully. Infact that is what atheists think.
And you got all the knowledge on evolution all distorted. Dogs and bears come from the same ancestors 10 million years ago. So you never met them. We only know through the fossils we excavated.It takes many million years to achieve physical changes. So you never get to see in your lifetime unless you can live that long. Nothing is perfect in this world my friend. Changes take place both to the physical earth and the living organisms like human. How do we look in one million years time? Try to live that long and see for yourself.
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written by Aria, November 09, 2009 18:10:08
Malaysia is a multi-religious and multi-race country.Religion should not be part of politics. Politicians should not make decisions based on religion or race rather on what is right for the country. Politicians should not incite hate on another race or religion. Politicians should not suppress another race or religion, rather give help where it is needed. We are all Malaysians regardless of race or religion and should be treated equally.
Ultimately you will find that we were all created by one god.
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written by SamBall, November 10, 2009 01:49:33
Why worry about how it (life, earth etc..)started?
It will all end in 2012; according to the Mayans/science anyway.
OK, OK go watch the movie; just seen it, very real!
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written by partytrooper, November 10, 2009 03:30:37
can we talk about ufos now?
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written by JUST, November 10, 2009 05:19:25
If there is GOD, the KPI needs improvement
Justice must be served............
Evils shall subject to eternity of God’s retribution!
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written by Devoe, November 10, 2009 16:28:53
Religion is created by human itself. So why argue more?You can't change others' beliefs and so do them. Religion is teaches us in positive way. But I believe the existence of heaven and hell.
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written by Steven Ong, November 10, 2009 23:01:38
Dear Rohani Hitam,
You must be a believer in evolution? How do you know that dogs and bears comes from the same ancestor or man evolved from apes? From the fossils? The fossils are just the left over of existing live forms. If one sees a fossil of the one age and than the next age and concludes that since the fossils are quite similar minus this or added that, it must have evolved from the previous , its just a hypothesis. Since no one actually saw it, its just a hypothesis of the human mind. That is how they think that man evolves from apes. If that is true, then why are there still apes around? Or would one conclude that the unlucky or less intelligent apes did not evolved. There should be races that looks half like apes and half man. Why there isnt any? If evolutionist try to explain this . Its just another hypothesis.
If evolution is correct, then maybe the Indians evolved from the Chinese and the Malays from the Indians. Then the Moaries evolved from the Malays as they moves from north to south? Then our ancestor are one and the same? The Eskimos? Then we are all brothers and sisters. Why are we fighting? We listen to the devil too much maybe.
And if God created all , then why cant we all live together as equal and share all things? As all belongs to God. ?
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 11, 2009 05:03:18
Hi Steve Ong,
I am a bit sceptical whether to reply to you. Your understanding of paleanthology is so distorted that I don't think I can convince you in any way.
It is no surprise that you attacked evolutioninary theory in your own interpretation. Evolution is not what you have perceived. That is why you are attacking a distorted theory that is in the first place created by you. Creationists attacked the theory because it threatens the fundemental teaching of human origin - created by God.
I have mentioned previously that living organisms including human evolve at the pace you cannot detect during your lifetime. Biologically this is not possible. The body just simply cannot mutate so fast like what you see in movies. And it is not the same kind of evolutionary process that each species would undergo. The change may be accelerated or slowed down all because nature "selects" the best to survive and those unable to survive would become extinct and all the characteristics that the species has acquired for the last biilion of years will go to nothing. Examplethe dinasaurs.
Apes evolved without you knowing it. Their ancestors are common to today's human. These ancestors of theirs were more ape-like but do not look like modern apes. Modern apes cannot evolve into human because they have taken a different direction in the evolutionary process. You can turn the clock and try again and they may even look different than what you see today. It is a matter of chance and survivability. The environment can be more influencing like food, weather, habit and competition for food.
Read more on biology and paleanthology to understand the sientific work behind the study of human evolution. You need to free your mind from all the misrepresentation. Take the study of biolgy or natural science as a hobby and talk to university lecturers in biological sciences then you can appreciate the beauty of sciences. Your mind is presently too distorted to fully comprehend and only through positive sense of inquisitiveness can make the change. You must know that science has advanced too far for you to catch up. You asked how do we know that certain fossil belongs to which species and ancetors. Ask the expert.
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written by Nicole, November 11, 2009 11:13:41
It's easy...for those who believe in religious then go on with that and those who believe to this science then go on with your science world....we have our own beliefs and we free to choose what we want to believe. This article just want to give us the information, differences between Religious belief and this science theory. It is up to you, which one you prefer...
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written by lynn, November 11, 2009 20:33:54
Once a upon a time, there was this cocky, perpetually smiling born-again bigtime christian who happens to be a billionaire & a crony. He held a dinner in a posh upperclass restaurant in KL. His guests attended in the mistaken belief that he had some great idea(s) that night which would make them filthy rich. He told his envious guests something to this effect: he is a billionaire today because his God loves him more than He loved the rest in the restaurant! My friend who attended went out, called me after he/she puked! Now, how could God play favourites? How could this so-called almighty god gives preferential treatment or practise discrimination?
I told my friends, fcuk his God. The cocky asswipe offended a lot of people with that statement by saying God loves him most since he's a billionaire.
Years ago, my sister-in-law married the governor from one state in the US. My other in-laws commented, well, Wilma is now going to live in the governor's mansion! Together with round-the-clock security detail, servants, driver, blah blah. They consoled themselves by saying "we will live in God's mansions some day!" There are people who believe in that crap. Mansions in the sky. Pie in the sky.
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written by andray, November 12, 2009 11:26:03
How wonderful if you believe in GOd believe in you religion...and you are knowledgeable if you know the science theory.....Both will make your life complete.
Religious knowledgeable...
Religion and science have always been at odds with each other. Religion says science can't prove that God does not exist. Science says religion can't prove that God does. Another thing that science and religion can't agree on is the age of mother earth. Let us see what both religion and science have to argue about the matter.
NO HOLDS BARRED
Raja Petra Kamarudin
Archbishop James Ussher of Armagh, Ireland, attempted to find the age of the earth by following the chronological genealogies in the scriptures. His erroneous calculations greatly influenced Christians of his day. For example, he calculated 1 BC to 1 AD, by counting the year zero. The problem was, there is no year zero. In other words, if an event occurs in 1 BC, and lasts to 1 AD, this is only 1 year. So, in order to get an accurate count when crossing the year zero, we must always adjust for this. Archbishop Ussher did not, and this threw his whole calendar off. One might charitably say that this was an easy mistake to make, nevertheless it also illustrates the carelessness with which he made decisions concerning numbers.
Many Christians of his day quickly accepted his date of creation as 4004 BC, and unfortunately it was placed within the margin of the King James Bible as a reference. This action immediately gave it a certain credibility, authority, and widespread appeal to the public. However, it was in no way a legitimate study of the age of the earth.
The Jews have another calculation. 30 September 2008 through 18 September 2009 corresponded to Hebrew year 5769 while the Hebrew year 5770 began at sundown on the evening of 18 September 2009 and will end on 8 September 2010.
The year 5770 on the Jewish calendar represents the number of years since God created the world, as calculated by adding up the ages of people in the Bible back to the time of creation. However, it is important to note that this date is not necessarily supposed to represent a scientific fact.
So there you have it. The world is only 5,770 years old according to the Jews. Some believe it is 10,000 years old. Going by the genealogies of Genesis 5 and 11, though, the world was created on 11013 BC. That makes the world 13,022 years old according to some Christians.
The scientists say the world is billions of years old.
Who is correct? Religion or science?
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written by eagle22, November 06, 2009 21:49:53
Pete,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
this is great, take a break.
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written by Watchdog, November 06, 2009 21:52:27
Mahathir will have his answer which he will claim is right.
Samy will have his 'act of God; answer
Toyol will say his dukuns in Indonesia have the answer
The Pirate of Pangkor will look up the Hindu almanac and keep quiet about where he got his answer
Ghani Ptui el will look to Najib for the answer
Najib will check the Mongolian calendar
Hassan Ali will cross over to Sadao in Thailand to get some answer ( and get inspiration with perspiration)
And I dont give a shit how old the planet is because it is not going to make Malaysia any better knowing it!!!!!!!!!!
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written by quietguy, November 06, 2009 21:58:43
RPK, you claim to compare religion with science, but you only mention Christianity and Judaism. Not all religions make such nonsensical claims.
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written by tom73my, November 06, 2009 22:29:41
Hi RPK,
Ricky Gervais speaks about animal and bible. Funny but worth having a thought about religion. Have a good weekend!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_EXqdJ4L7I
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written by Wudan, November 06, 2009 22:39:23
Thanks RPK, now I know how to answer my nephew when he asked why dinosaurs are not mentioned in the bible and especially none are found in Noah's Ark.
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written by CatV5, November 06, 2009 22:46:34
Here's some interesting stuff to ponder
2 billion years for life
6 million years for hominid
100,000 years for mankind as we know it
10,000 years agriculture
400 years scientific revolution
150 years industrial revolution
50 year information age?
10 year?
1 year?
1 day?
neo human? homo spiritus? We're all dead?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saxX-Z6w3p4)
we're seeing an acceleration of evolution here guys... don't be stuck on the old paradigm... like it or not the evolution wave is coming...
Those who still hold to the old belief let them go... forget those baggage... let's embrace a new thinking. Discover new possibilities...
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written by cylee, November 06, 2009 22:48:20
This is my hard questions to those Muslim Hypocrite too...
"Oih...Mohamed Khusrin Munawi.. apakah mak engkau takda rahim ke? kamu ni lahir kedunia ni dari lubang mana? kalau bukan rahim? ka.. kamu keluar dari lubang najis mak kau? patutlah.. mulut dan otak kau ni busuk lagi tak guna macam najis.
kalau lah kamu tak hormat mak engkau, janganlah sampai perempuan sedunia kamu hina. U tahu tak Rahim tu adalah lubang yang paling suci? Tempat ni selain bagi kamu shok tak habis, ia juga adalah pintu untuk semua umat manusia langkah masuk ke dunia ni,.. termasuk Propet Mohamed.
Oi si KJ ketua pemuda UMNO apa kata kamu ...? adakah kamu pun setuju dengan si Khusdis ni? Janganlah hanya tahu nak shyok dengan lubang rahim tu saja... bila sebulan sekali ia datang kitaran haid, kamu tuduh rahim tu kotor pulak.. cuma kerana waktu 7 hari tu you tak boleh shyok..?? Hamsap betullah pemuda umno dan Hipokrit pengarah JAIS in.. bertauliah kunon??? Dan bagi maklumat kamu..stiap masa ada bejuta wanita yang sengsara kerana kitaran haid yang tak teratur atau tak datang haid langsung?? Adakah kamu ni nak disumpah semua kerabat wanita keluarga kamu akan tak ada kitaran haid?? memandangkan kamu ni adalah begitu hina bagi perkara ni..Buat malu umat islam sahaja. Ajaran sesat umno apa ni..? yang dia ni ikut?
Jangan lupa Tuhan sentiasa tahu apa yang kamu niat dalam hati.. dan Tuhan adalah paling murka mereka yang berlagak atas namaNya"
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written by SocratesI, November 06, 2009 22:57:40
This is quite simple to understand. The Age of the present day Civilization is as old as anyone can remember from the ancient records, maybe up to 13,000 years old. However, there may have been many cycles of Civilizations each having been wiped out by some global catastrophe, switching over of the North & South poles, meteors/ asteroids hitting the Earth, shifting of the Earth's axis (The Artic & Antartic used to be at the Equator, and will be again someday), extra strong solar winds from the Sun, extra strong Cosmic winds once the Sun aligns with the Earth and the Centre of the Milky Way Galaxy, (2012 - this is due to happen), super-volcanoes, etc.
Science meanwhile, is measuring with carbon-dating and other methods, the age of the planet Earth, and that is millions of years. After all, now that we can see almost to the centre of our Universe, we can see the moment of the Big Bang and the Universe is 13.4 Billion years old according to the light years calculated.
So where religion is talking about Civilization, science is talking about the Age of the Earth. Of course we get different results !
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written by miwaki, November 06, 2009 23:03:09
By the way,when was God created ?
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written by Proarte, November 06, 2009 23:05:46
Actually it is not true that Judaism and Christianity mention the age of the earth. The age is based on speculation and ones man guess is good as another.
Was Adam created by God as a infant? Who clothed and breast fed infant Adam? In the Bible it describes Adam as a grown man when he was 1st created. He may have 'lived' 930 years on earth but how old was he when he was 'created'? He could have been 4 billion years old!!
The apostle Peter wrote: “ do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day” (2 Peter 3:.
One can conclude from that statement that God is outside time.
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written by Oscar Winner, November 06, 2009 23:40:40
Till God appears in front of me or gives me some signs, I will not accept whatever that has been said about when earth was created, which religion is great, right or wrong. Damn, I do good as much as I can. If that still leads me to hell, so be it. Like TDM's famous line...."Has anyone from Pas gone to heaven and come back to tell you that you will go to heaven if you join Pas??" Damn...!!! How old is planet earth?? UMNO has the answer. They are god, aren't they??
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written by truthbespoken, November 06, 2009 23:51:34
Thanks eagle22. I enjoyed your u-tube posting tremendously. Hahahahahahahahahaha!
George Carlin is both a funny and intelligent old comedian. Experience and good sense is certainly reflected from what he said.. take a break guys..hahahahahaha!
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written by Umar Rentaka, November 07, 2009 00:27:47
Seeesh..... The Srimad Bhagavatam says the universe is more than 150 trillion years old.
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written by Steven Ong, November 07, 2009 00:30:38
Its only the opinions of man. As God created all things , then science is from God. And many things are yet to be discovered . What we knew today looks like a grain of sand on the beach and yet we dare to say that God does not exist? Those who asked.' Who created God?' seems to forget the the hairs on his head ( if he has any ) Because he think, so he asked what is logical to him. Had he understand all things? Nay.... not even more than a grain of sand on the beach. Somehow some think that God is like us, because we read that we are made in the image of God?
If one were to look around him carefully , one would see the perfection of all things and be amazed or should one take things for granted?
A buddhist does not care where things come from but where he wants to go. A Hindu thinks the same way and just live his life. Is that all there is? A scientist lives to discover all that are to be discover. Dose he cares who made them? Nay...... Science is branch of learning from what we observed and applied it for our use. Science is not to prove what is true or false but to learn what there is.
Whereas religion is a way of life to guide us as we exist. God has nothing to do with religion or science. One can live without any religion but not science. For science is part of life or else nothing exist.
Yet one can be one with God when he chooses to be. Or dead if he chooses not to be. The choice is yours.
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written by johnT, November 07, 2009 01:24:41
This might be an intresting answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...PL&index=1
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written by CatV5, November 07, 2009 01:38:29
We have these wide range of instincts...
Curiosity...
Passion...
Discovery...
Scientist fully utilizing these instincts...
Reliance..
Pride..
Upholding...
Religionist mostly fully utilizing these...
Money
Power
Conflict
Materialist fully utilizing these instincts...
Family
Survival
Reproduction
The most ancient mammalian instincts. Almost all of us who doesn't care much about all of those above utilizing these strongly...
So you see everybody have their most highest inner instincts... I would concur nobody is right or wrong. It's just that they didn't realize their most dominant instincts taking over their conscious...
And it is their right for fully utilizing them... and their responsibility to face the consequences....
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written by CatV5, November 07, 2009 01:52:23
Sorry should've explain a bit more..
for the religionist, that includes Patriots, and Racist, terorist.. same behavior different objectives and different degree of action...
Materialist includes politicians, businessman, capitalist, monarchs etc.. rich people have these... we know how they behave...
Scientists also includes explorers, nature lovers, mathematicians, inventors, artist and what not... these guys are junkies when it comes to knowledge.. mat rempits and drug addicts are also in these categories... they are so passionate they sometimes got trapped and don't care about their life...
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written by malaysiaunited, November 07, 2009 02:02:54
Mapillai Petra! My advice to u is don't let inner thoughts be so explicit! You r already half politician with the amount of proposals as NEXT LEADER!
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 07, 2009 04:24:14
The bibles were written from the year 700 BC to 76 AD. We had those from the day of Judaism to Christianity. You can't expect the writers or recorders to understand science. Archbishop James Ushher was not a scientist or astronomer either. So there is no surprise that his assumptions were flawed.
All religions better confine what they can do best and avoid clashes with the scientists. Go and preach salvation to those who lost direction as teaching them science won't make any difference anyway.
This world consists of the intelligent and the dumb. But there are theologians and clerics who think they are scientists. And when they opened their mouths you will see where this stupidity came from.
But I cannot end this contribution without implicating those who capitalise on people who are hungry of spiritual and religious need. Just like the many rulers in history using religion to mainatain loyalty and submissiveness, UMNO/BN is famous and even notoriously surpassing the Pharoahs of Egypt.
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written by KotaDamansara73, November 07, 2009 09:15:39
Basically RPK is a moderate and partially progressive muslim but pro Shariah law man.
Is Shariah law were to be implemented in Malaysia, no matter how good they said shariah law is, you will see an increase in emigration and money out of this country.
I will never recommend any Malaysia to stay in Malaysia if Shariah law is implemented.
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written by jaz, November 07, 2009 09:19:04
Wudan, the ark is not big enough to accommodate 1 dinosaur, not not mention all of them. Hahaha.
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written by cruzeiro, November 07, 2009 09:19:28
Pete,
Nobody can prove the age of the earth - at best, they can hypothesize.
While many creationists seek to interpret the scriptures literally, it can only be understood should they take it as an allegory. Same goes with prophecies -you can mouth them as simply beautiful words, or look for the message between the lines".
It is like reading Lord of the Rings or Narnia - you can see them as allegories (as you should), or simply a fantasy with a good storyline.
Let me ask a simple question - do you think barbarians at the time of Abraham or Moses would've understood (or even be able to fathom) a million years? Do you think Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) meant everything he said literally? No.
They needed to say things in such a way that the people would understand.
Much like how we teach "rocket science" to school children......
So let us not belittle the scriptures written by the inspired men of old, eh? If not for anything else, let us not have another round of "insulting Islam" (or Christianity, for that matter) case on our hands, with a report made by the man with 2 Muhammads to his name
By the way, where is this fella now - very quiet these days, ain't he?
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written by jaz, November 07, 2009 09:20:03
There are many contradictions and hypocrisy in the holy books.
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written by cruzeiro, November 07, 2009 09:45:30
Oh yes - good to know that you're having a good time visiting museums
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written by DontPlayGod, November 07, 2009 09:52:46
How come people still believe in the Adam and Eve fairy tale? If we are all descendents of this couple, then the world will have only one race, and not only that, the human race spread because the children of Adam and Eve committed incest!
Yet science says that more than a hundred million years ago, if we believe in creation, God first created the dinausors, etc. Did he create human beings at that time, too?(more than a hundred million years ago). But our written history of human civilizations date back to only a few thousand years. Adam and Eve must have arrived only say more than 10,000 years or so ago. And how did the scriptures know and write about these two people? Remember the primitive peoples of old lived in caves and in the jungles, and even on trees, without any knowledge of even speech and a written language. Even now there are some peoples in some remote jungle areas who do not have a written language and still live a primitive lives.
Are we to understand, if science is right, i.e. that the dinausors, etc. were created by God more than a hundred million years ago before he even thought of creating human beings. Perhaps, he created the human race as a afterthought. And that too, more than a hundred million years later, after the Jurassic age.
And this is the reason I've always urged people to have an open mind on religions, read and learn(don't limit your reading to only the Koran, read scriptures of other religions). Read all types of books, articles, and writings of expert scientists, etc. And don't become a Taliban or Islamist(beliving in an Islamic state). Yes, keep an open mind and listen and read up on any subjects to learn. Don't be like Jais, etc.
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written by temenggong, November 07, 2009 10:11:12
The Hindu puranas says this current creation is 4.32 billion years old, and that is one manvantara. There are a hundred such manvantaras after which there is Dissolution.
Dinosaur bones have been carbon dated to be 200 million years old. The earliest hominids have been carbon dated to be 4 million years old.
Man has been around for millions of years! So there is no question on science or religion. Religious theories on humans is legends and supersitions based on ignorance or limited knowledge.
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written by cruzeiro, November 07, 2009 10:11:25
Perhaps, he created the human race as a afterthought ....
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LOL- Yeah man, maybe it was a plan B after all!!!
But then again, you could always say that "God had a plan" ... a grand design of sorts, and man was just a small part of it - which men in their conceit, think is the crowning glory of "creation" itself!!
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written by eeyaw, November 07, 2009 10:11:37
Pete,nice walk through on a controversial subject but I would assume that GOD creates Religion and gifted humanity with the knowledge of science, the former is based on faith while the latter is through a logical deduction or plainly facts. So I am of the opinion that only GOD knows how old is Earth and when it will end. Everything else is hearsay not to mention what umno & its cohorts claim to know .
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written by cheemengwong, November 07, 2009 11:01:54
A prophetic year would be equal to a thousand years on earth.
God created man on the 6th day and rested on the 7th, therefore earth was around 6,000 years before Adam came around.
The earth would be more than 13,000 years!
But who cares? We only live 3 scores 10. Better spend the time praising and worshipping God correctly, otherwise we shall become another misguided Major Nidah Hassan of Ford Hood army base!
Misguided, misdirected is very serious matter. Everybody is misguided sometimes or another but our compass must be correct one. Which compass? Choose nicely.
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written by myke, November 07, 2009 11:03:37
If u follow science(evolution) then u know religions are bullshits, if you follow religion then u keep your eyes and ears closed to scientific facts.
Do you know of any religious conutry that advanced scientifically.?
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written by johanssm, November 07, 2009 11:26:49
Religion alone cannot provide all the answers as that is not the intention.
Otherwise it will not purposely state the word wisdom and to learn things.
None of the books stated the real age of earth / world or universe
However adam and eve were mentioned .
Maybe as modern day human form as we see today.
We know we are not from adam .
But the story must start from somewhere easily absorb by the commons.
Religion can be only be use as a guide to face daily life and to make life more meaningful instead of more difficult.
It was those people who thinks that they knew more and starts adding more and more things .
Just like those from jais .
Adding more and more things until out of control.
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written by bobdylan, November 07, 2009 11:41:22
God is Dead-Neitzche
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written by bobdylan, November 07, 2009 11:41:53
Neitzcshe is Dead - God
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written by bobdylan, November 07, 2009 11:55:31
Jewish rabbi's say that the first man Adam was gifted with a soul and thus making him the first man, the rest before him were souless, kinda like zombies. Which kinda explains why the 'new man" wiped out the neandthrals and cro magnons. But the idea of a soul dates back millions of years according to history. interesting! God can explain science but science cant explain God. Science is very new, at one end of the spectrum, slowly progressing to the other end where science will meet God and reconsile. When it comes to sprituality, science is dumb founded, it all of a sudden doesn't make sense, thus science denies that Ghost exist. Only God can explain this. Anyway He is a Omniscient and we will never be able to understand Him, not in this life. I quote the Bible....With God nothing is impossible....even the earth's rotation can change at His will. TQ.
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written by gorshan, November 07, 2009 12:12:09
you're here. isnt that proof enough of God, your Creator?
ask yourself this simple questions.
the dust,the men that cames from the dust,the rocks,plants,trees,air,water,earth,sun,stars. where did it comes from?
did something out of nothing just decides to comes into existence, just like that,with a flick of the fingers?
go in a straight line in space.will you ever reach the end? just thinking this one scenario can you makes you go mad.
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a arrogant man of science came face to face with God and says to God "what so great you can create men from clay. so can i. see this lump of clay in my hand? i, too will make a breathing man out of it"
and God said "go ahead, but first create your own clay"
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written by advocatusdiaboli, November 07, 2009 12:31:50
Whyla? U fellas all worried about year 2012 is it? . Lets all go watch the movie shall we?
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written by batsman, November 07, 2009 12:46:02
Does it come as any surprise that the scientists themselves cannot agree on the date of the Big Bang? Some say 30 billions years, some say longer - more like 35 billion. Some even don't agree with the Big Bang theory. Others find it difficult to explain why almost all the laws of physics were broken at the instant of the Big Bang. Common guys! Stop worshiping science! You are fed a load of hogwash and you say it is the god given truth. heeheehee
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written by Mirage, November 07, 2009 13:19:33
RPK,
Whatever the age of earth is, how evolution worked, science or religion has not change the human behaviour of selfishness, and greed neither have we learned from it. While most of us are god fearing ppl, some are using religion for their purposeful gain and when it suites them. Similarly with science, again the use for their own purposeful gain with high tech weapons which eventually determines who is the head of the world.
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written by JJFoo, November 07, 2009 13:30:46
Come-on RPK,
Look for facts, go to the scientists (may not be 100% correct but close). Look for fairy tales go to religious texts. The people of the book aren’t totally at fault as they don’t have the luxury of the scientific facts thousands of years back then. They can only guess and accept what is within their understanding.
If you have a chance of lighting up a lighter in front of a community of early primitive humanoid, I am sure among them there will be a few smart suckers who will call you “GOD” and the rest will have no choice but agree. The few who proclaimed you as god will fright to be your representative or folower as it will come with power over the others and will try their best to glorify you beyond believe just to stay powerfully relevant.
If God really created the Garden of Eden for mankind, then god started his handiworks billions of years ago (earth is about 5 billion years old according to acceptable scientific facts). Earliest modern human written history recorded are about 5,000 years ago and we were taught in school in the 70’s that civilisation started 5,000 years back then, craps! Let presume modern human become “civilised” about 50,000 years ago, against a back span of 5 billion years, mathematically is about 0.001% of the total time God spent on his handiworks. Do you really think mankind of this moment in time could comprehend what “GOD” is really about?
Is it some suckers who wanted to act like God, forbidding everything incomprehensible to their narrow minded mentality in the name God and worst of all, killing in the name of God. Telling everybody what’s God are like or should be like.
God if exist, is sure a sucker, who seems to work in a very mysterious way. Many human thought they are God just because they could count or maybe count better than other. We are worst of than primate trying to figure out how a lighter works when God are concerned. Maybe that’s how God prefer thing to be.
When my daughter was six years old year when she asked “God created man, who created God?” Wanted to answer her “man himself”, it is only the Gods others peoples thought they knew and wanted us to know. Might be too complicated for her, or maybe not but I chooses to hold my tongue, I am still contemplating whether to speak my mind on this matter to her (she is now eight).
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written by temenggong, November 07, 2009 13:42:01
Hominids and chimpanzees diverged from each other 6 to 8 million years ago. Neanderthals and humans split from a common ancestor hominids around 660,000 years ago. Neanderthals became extinct just 14,000 years ago. DNA studies have shown the exoduc out of africa from 140,000 in three waves. The irrefutable evidence is already there.
We are essentially monkeys!
Religious believers should get over it, that they have been very wrong insofar as creation, human evolution and history. They just didn't have the information before. We can say that religions have been a monumental failure in recording human history, it being nothing more than a collection of legends, tales and wishful thinking. Lots of religious ideas collapse with this.
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written by lynn, November 07, 2009 13:53:39
RPK. this is a fairly mild piece. Most readers don't realise yr msg: you play carrom, you hit the red one so that it would bounce off to hit black & white ones. Bingo. Both went into the hole.
As for god's existence, it is a man-made creation. God must appear now, today, this minute to confirm his presence. Such a simple request, he cannot even entertain. But we all know abt the sun, as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow. Self-evident. No religious crazies on this earth ever dare to go around & tell people, you must believe in the sun's existence! Because the sun's existence is easily provable.
But god, almighty... cannot be proven but have to be accepted via 'faith' - that's how religions are founded - on the unprovable. Personally, I find some religions are like a big con game. You MUST believe in God to go to heaven. You MUST not question the existence of God. You MUST swallow what they tell you whole. You MUST not ask any questions. Just submit. Yeh, some fcuking xtians tried to convert me, told me to submit. Submissive. Be Obedient. Just Follow Blindly. Yeh right!
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written by lynn, November 07, 2009 13:58:20
Recently I recd a booklet fr a xtian. Inside was this message,"God feels your pain". It instantly reminded me of what Pak Lah said to zombies in bodohland after the disastrous outcome of GE12 for BN, "we hear you". He heard us? He sounded like the priest who said 'god hears us, feels our pain'. It's just bloody empty rhetoric. It's farting via the facial edifice.
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written by umstudent, November 07, 2009 14:08:38
Uncle Pete, have you read the book "The Quran Unchallengeable Miracle"? If you don't, you can read it here. That is if you're interested of course.
http://www.quranmiracles.com/
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written by Super Admin, November 07, 2009 14:18:41
Dear umstudent, have you seen the series of VCDs/DVDs in English and Malay by Harun Yahya which I produced?
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written by umstudent, November 07, 2009 14:42:54
Series of VCDs/Dvds by Harun Yahya?
The dvd/vcd not. As for the guy himself, I've read a few of his article in his website. But since he actually belief in imam Mahdi and second coming of Jesus, which I didn't agree with, I don't explore much about his work. Have seen his book in library refuting Darwin theory of evolution, but since I haven't read about Darwin's theory yet, I guest I'll read it some other time, God willing.
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written by siewchinteo, November 07, 2009 15:17:24
Thanks for the laugh Eagle22
So now that we know how old earth is, give or take a couple of million years, will it die soon?
and i mean a natural death and not murdered.....
by MAN.
speaking of which, how old is mankind?
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 07, 2009 15:42:26
DontPlayGod,
I think you are a lot confused. Scientists did not say that God created the dinasaurs hundreds over million years ago. Scientists said that all living things evolved without a creator. Before the dinasaurs there were trillions and trillions of species including plants colonised the earth. The earth is more than 3 billion yrs old and how do we know? Read things on paleanthology, geomophology and natural sciences. You are eons behind modern knowledge my dear friend.
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 07, 2009 16:01:32
umstudent,
You are too slow in pursuing knowledge. I don't think reading Darwin's book will make any change to you. You should have strong knowledge on bilology to understand Darwin and you should have read it during your secondary education.
If you happen to grab and read his books always remember that he propounded the theory not based on opinion but supported by his findings on the diversification of species and how isolation has evolved them to acquire specific characteristics. The study of evolution doesn't stop with Darwin but modern scientific knowledge has progressed fo far that reading his book can be a good start but can be a bad approach. All depend on you to pursue knowledge and not reading articles which disputed the theory and you end up confused or reject the theory for reasons I found very very stupid.
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 07, 2009 16:12:19
batsman,
I think you are reading too much books that lack credibility. Concentrate on New Scientist, Nat Geographic or even the Times or Newsweek. All credible scientists agree that a big bang has occured as the traces of the explosive event are still being received. You are right that all atoms and molecules behavior defied modern physics during its initial stage milliseconds before expanding in massive explosion and expansion. That scientist cannot create the situation in the laboratory as the temperature and pressure is near finitesimal. How many years ago tjat big bang took place is simple that we thought it was 20 billions but new findings suggest that it is even more than that.
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written by bobdylan, November 07, 2009 16:12:39
Dear Melly,
Cain and Abel married their own sisters. The bible that you read has ommited many books like the book of Enoch and The life of Adam.(refer to wikipedia on Adam) Also Adam's life overlapped until before the Flood which could explain the other people. Anyway, Adam was the 1st homosapien.....so the others on earth could have been ...example homoerectus. I mean they ve found "Lucy" dating back about 30000 years ago. Adam is only 6000 years according to reliogionist. See science is explaining about God's creation.
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written by umstudent, November 07, 2009 16:25:56
Dear Rohani Hitam.
Sorry if it bother you I'm too slow in pursuing knowledge, but I didn't take biology so I guest maybe that's why I haven't read about his work yet. Beside, maybe because I'm only in my 3rd year of my undergraduate engineering courses contribute to me not knowing enough about this theory of evolution. But hey, people can come out with thousand of excuses, right? Sorry again if it bother you.
As for the Harun Yahya, the article from him that I've read is not about how he refuted the Darwin theory, but article about the Mahdi and second coming of Jesus which I didn't agree and most of it based on conjencture and made up stories. That made me less interested in his work.
And for once, where did you find I've said I've rejected Darwin theory of evolution? I only said I didn't read his book yet, therefore I didn't read the book that want to prove his theory is wrong. What's wrong with that?
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 07, 2009 16:29:44
Melly,
You got trouble in understanding human evolution. Don't try to connect homo erectus with the bible. They are two separate doctrine. Lucy's ancestors also evolved from the earlier homonid and in no way at any time Lucy or her descendants for that matter has evolved to become Adam. Scientists say that we evolved away from the other apes some 8 million years ago. The other apes evolved too but remain much of their characteristics as the natural selection revolved around them living in the jungle or trees. Some came down to earth occasionally but human made drastic changes due to environmental pressure that selects the best to propagate like what we are now. We have developed so much skill that it has increased our survivability until today.
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 07, 2009 16:55:45
Dear umstudent,
I must apologise for the sudden outburst. I was too engrossed with other contributions that I may have confused along the way. Anyway just be careful what you read as there are many "professors" out there.
But I have to caution you that the theory of evolution (Origin of Species) by Darwin and later by all the credible naturalists, paleonthologist and anthropologists supporting him further is in contrary with the teaching of the Creation (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). So may choose to avoid reading it as it may not be good for your faith. But if you insisted, read them as a source of modern scientific knowledge and just explore other experts findings and theories.
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written by DontPlayGod, November 07, 2009 20:10:35
Rohani Hitam,
No, I am not the the least confused. I think you are. Religions like Islam and Chrisitianity says that God created the world and all things in the universe and all living things. But science says that the dinausors, and the Jurassic Age are 70 to more than a hundred million years old. But the human race, how old is it? Did God create the human race during the Jurassic Age(more than a 100 million years ago) which means Adam and Eve must be more than a hundred million years ago.
Is this possible? That means the human race is more than a 100 million years old, if we believe in God and creation. And how did we get to know of Adam and Eve if they came into being more than a 100 million years ago. But written records of history is only less than 5000 years old and the Chinese claim that their civilization is the oldest continuous civilization.
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written by Umar Rentaka, November 08, 2009 11:04:50
Dear Rohani Hitam,
have you read "Nature's IQ" by Balazs Hornyyanszky nad Istvan Tasi?
If not, please do get a copy or write to me.
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written by Umar Rentaka, November 08, 2009 11:10:00
http://www.naturesiq.com/reviews.html
for reviews of this book: Nature"s IQ
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written by Umar Rentaka, November 08, 2009 11:12:41
A Positive Contribution to Humanity
In scientific circles the theory of evolution is widely accepted as factual. Books like Nature’s IQ remind us, however, that it is only a theory, and a theory with serious drawbacks at that. Traditionally it has been difficult to explain how entirely new organs composed of parts that must be simultaneously present for their functionality could actually evolve. Although theories such as that of co-option attempt to account for these, they actually fall short, and end up sounding like so much storytelling in the name of science, with little factual evidence supporting them. Nature’s IQ shows that complex behavior often associated with new organs is also difficult to explain in an evolutionary way, and the book offers many, many colorfully illustrated examples.
It addition to challenging evolutionary conceptions and proposing a version of intelligent design, Nature’s IQ offers an explanation from ancient India’s vast collection of writings as an alternative. This is coupled with references to empirical studies consistent with the Vedic world view. Thus Nature’s IQ has more of a positive contribution to offer humanity than most literature questioning the viability of evolutionary theory.
The philosophical questions introduced at the end of each chapter for which an answer is promised in final chapter create curiosity and generate an interest to read further and are a nice touch.
I recommend this book to anyone seriously interested in science and the origin and meaning of life. —Christopher Beetle, Computer Science, Brown University
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written by Umar Rentaka, November 08, 2009 11:20:26
A Novel Contribution to the Intelligent Design Literature
Hungarian scientists Balazs Hornyanszky and Istvan Tasi offer a novel contribution to the intelligent design literature by extending Michael Behe's theory of irreducible complexity from biological form to biological behavior. Where did the mysterious instincts of animals originate? Nature's IQ.
The authors document more than 100 astonishing, unexplained phenomena from the animal kingdom, with 200 amazing color pictures. The authors point out how Darwinian "just so" stories fail to explain these irreducibly complex instincts and behaviors. This book is a valuable addition to any library for it's amazing photos of animal life and it's catalog of fascinating animal behavior regardless of whether you believe they were a product of random mutations and natural selection or a product of artful, purposeful design............
— Access Research Network
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written by carribeanking7, November 08, 2009 15:55:14
Does it really matter ? At one point some religionist opined the earth was flat.
Where we (Humanity) are going is infinitely more important thanwhere we have been, we bicker endlessly about yesterday and tommorow, while we do very little about the here and now.
desiderata - by max ehrmann
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is perennial as the grass.
Take kindly to the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.
Vijay Kumar Murugavell
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 08, 2009 23:10:15
Hi DontPlay God,
"But science says that the dinausors, and the Jurassic Age are 70 to more than a hundred million years old. But the human race, how old is it?"
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Human evolved from hominid form to become homo sapiens. Between the hominid to homo sapien there were other evolving species like the autralophitecus africanus, homoerectus etc and finally homo sapien sapien and that is what we are. Our ancestors were separated from the other hominid (e.g primitive apes) some 3-8 million years ago and they too evolved on their own.
"Did God create the human race during the Jurassic Age(more than a 100 million years ago) which means Adam and Eve must be more than a hundred million years ago"
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According to science there was no creator. Life started on earth 2 billion years ago from a simple cell and now we have diversification, thanks to evolution.The dinasaurs existed frome 250 to 60 million years ago while homo sapien is less than 1 million years. Sorry the dinasaurs had never got a chance to meet human as they became extinct 60 million years ago.
And how did we get to know of Adam and Eve if they came into being more than a 100 million years ago.
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Sorry my friend the story of Adam and Eve appeared in the Jewish scriptures during 400 to 100 BC. Some jokers calculated the year tobe 4000BC. Science in not in the mood to buy the argument that there was Adam and Eve. They are just human creation trying to figure out how they exist. They have no access to scientific knowledge so you cannot blame them.
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written by Steven Ong, November 08, 2009 23:31:53
All the arguments and statements about creations and man shows that we are a lost tribe on a planet spinning since when, no one knows. From these, would we not agreed that science can explained how things work and hypothesize about others? And religion is all about morality and right living? The sciptures of all religions are just a moral story to teach us about living right. The scriptures are also a history of the people in the books. So Adam and Eve are just the ancestor of the people around the Middle East? The Jews and the Arabs are the descendents of Adam and Eve as the scriptures says. So there must be other Adams and Eves around the earth? These are some questions we can think of.
Evolution is just a hypothesis put forward by Darwin. If it is true then we are also evolving into a new creature as evolution theory teaches about constant transformation of the world. But do we look different from the time history was written? Not a bit. Do we need wings to fly as the birds? And what about all other living creatures? A dog is still a dog from the begining. Would one day a dog become a man? Why would a dog wants to remain a dog? If one were to look around, all living things existing today are perfect in their own ways. Can one improves any existing single thing? A dog, a cat or a banana tree? Nay........... improving the yeild or chaging the colours does not in any way change its original form. So Darwin's theory of evolution is just a hypothesis and not the truth.
To the atheist, all they believed is what they are and what there is. They just live, work to live and enjoy ,then they die. Its their faith sort of. So by faith we live and follows a set way of life as we think its right. We shouldnt be arguing about this and that, but to find ways that all agreed ,to live together peacefully and enjoy all the things there is together. By right, there shouldnt be any poor or hungry. And we are arguing and fighting each other to see who is right and selfishly oppressing and persecuting others to proves it. An evil and wicked generation indeed.
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 09, 2009 00:13:46
Hi Steve Ong,
I like your part of your last paragraph tha we should stop arguing and find ways that all can agree so that we can live peacefully. Infact that is what atheists think.
And you got all the knowledge on evolution all distorted. Dogs and bears come from the same ancestors 10 million years ago. So you never met them. We only know through the fossils we excavated.It takes many million years to achieve physical changes. So you never get to see in your lifetime unless you can live that long. Nothing is perfect in this world my friend. Changes take place both to the physical earth and the living organisms like human. How do we look in one million years time? Try to live that long and see for yourself.
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written by Aria, November 09, 2009 18:10:08
Malaysia is a multi-religious and multi-race country.Religion should not be part of politics. Politicians should not make decisions based on religion or race rather on what is right for the country. Politicians should not incite hate on another race or religion. Politicians should not suppress another race or religion, rather give help where it is needed. We are all Malaysians regardless of race or religion and should be treated equally.
Ultimately you will find that we were all created by one god.
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written by SamBall, November 10, 2009 01:49:33
Why worry about how it (life, earth etc..)started?
It will all end in 2012; according to the Mayans/science anyway.
OK, OK go watch the movie; just seen it, very real!
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written by partytrooper, November 10, 2009 03:30:37
can we talk about ufos now?
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written by JUST, November 10, 2009 05:19:25
If there is GOD, the KPI needs improvement
Justice must be served............
Evils shall subject to eternity of God’s retribution!
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written by Devoe, November 10, 2009 16:28:53
Religion is created by human itself. So why argue more?You can't change others' beliefs and so do them. Religion is teaches us in positive way. But I believe the existence of heaven and hell.
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written by Steven Ong, November 10, 2009 23:01:38
Dear Rohani Hitam,
You must be a believer in evolution? How do you know that dogs and bears comes from the same ancestor or man evolved from apes? From the fossils? The fossils are just the left over of existing live forms. If one sees a fossil of the one age and than the next age and concludes that since the fossils are quite similar minus this or added that, it must have evolved from the previous , its just a hypothesis. Since no one actually saw it, its just a hypothesis of the human mind. That is how they think that man evolves from apes. If that is true, then why are there still apes around? Or would one conclude that the unlucky or less intelligent apes did not evolved. There should be races that looks half like apes and half man. Why there isnt any? If evolutionist try to explain this . Its just another hypothesis.
If evolution is correct, then maybe the Indians evolved from the Chinese and the Malays from the Indians. Then the Moaries evolved from the Malays as they moves from north to south? Then our ancestor are one and the same? The Eskimos? Then we are all brothers and sisters. Why are we fighting? We listen to the devil too much maybe.
And if God created all , then why cant we all live together as equal and share all things? As all belongs to God. ?
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written by Rohani Hitam, November 11, 2009 05:03:18
Hi Steve Ong,
I am a bit sceptical whether to reply to you. Your understanding of paleanthology is so distorted that I don't think I can convince you in any way.
It is no surprise that you attacked evolutioninary theory in your own interpretation. Evolution is not what you have perceived. That is why you are attacking a distorted theory that is in the first place created by you. Creationists attacked the theory because it threatens the fundemental teaching of human origin - created by God.
I have mentioned previously that living organisms including human evolve at the pace you cannot detect during your lifetime. Biologically this is not possible. The body just simply cannot mutate so fast like what you see in movies. And it is not the same kind of evolutionary process that each species would undergo. The change may be accelerated or slowed down all because nature "selects" the best to survive and those unable to survive would become extinct and all the characteristics that the species has acquired for the last biilion of years will go to nothing. Examplethe dinasaurs.
Apes evolved without you knowing it. Their ancestors are common to today's human. These ancestors of theirs were more ape-like but do not look like modern apes. Modern apes cannot evolve into human because they have taken a different direction in the evolutionary process. You can turn the clock and try again and they may even look different than what you see today. It is a matter of chance and survivability. The environment can be more influencing like food, weather, habit and competition for food.
Read more on biology and paleanthology to understand the sientific work behind the study of human evolution. You need to free your mind from all the misrepresentation. Take the study of biolgy or natural science as a hobby and talk to university lecturers in biological sciences then you can appreciate the beauty of sciences. Your mind is presently too distorted to fully comprehend and only through positive sense of inquisitiveness can make the change. You must know that science has advanced too far for you to catch up. You asked how do we know that certain fossil belongs to which species and ancetors. Ask the expert.
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written by Nicole, November 11, 2009 11:13:41
It's easy...for those who believe in religious then go on with that and those who believe to this science then go on with your science world....we have our own beliefs and we free to choose what we want to believe. This article just want to give us the information, differences between Religious belief and this science theory. It is up to you, which one you prefer...
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written by lynn, November 11, 2009 20:33:54
Once a upon a time, there was this cocky, perpetually smiling born-again bigtime christian who happens to be a billionaire & a crony. He held a dinner in a posh upperclass restaurant in KL. His guests attended in the mistaken belief that he had some great idea(s) that night which would make them filthy rich. He told his envious guests something to this effect: he is a billionaire today because his God loves him more than He loved the rest in the restaurant! My friend who attended went out, called me after he/she puked! Now, how could God play favourites? How could this so-called almighty god gives preferential treatment or practise discrimination?
I told my friends, fcuk his God. The cocky asswipe offended a lot of people with that statement by saying God loves him most since he's a billionaire.
Years ago, my sister-in-law married the governor from one state in the US. My other in-laws commented, well, Wilma is now going to live in the governor's mansion! Together with round-the-clock security detail, servants, driver, blah blah. They consoled themselves by saying "we will live in God's mansions some day!" There are people who believe in that crap. Mansions in the sky. Pie in the sky.
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written by andray, November 12, 2009 11:26:03
How wonderful if you believe in GOd believe in you religion...and you are knowledgeable if you know the science theory.....Both will make your life complete.
Religious knowledgeable...
Malaysia's submarine scandal erupts in France
Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks
Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.
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Friday, 16 April 2010 Super Admin
Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel
A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.
Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.
Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.
For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.
The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.
With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.
"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."
Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.
There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.
The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.
"Over the past years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."
As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.
Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.
She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.
The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.
The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.
In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.
Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."
"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be per diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."
As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.
Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million per year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.
"There are good grounds to believe that [Perimekar] was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.
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written by casper, April 17, 2010 00:18:02
We haven't achieved anything, NOTHING, even with this revelation and interest that is currently making the rounds in Paris. However, it should be all our concern if Ghani Patail would take another look and hopefully make space for an appeal on behalf of the deceased and her family back in Mongolia.
And still, even more puzzling, the two UTK fellas have a date with the hangman BUT no MOTIVE was ever established !!!! To the Yang Dipertuan Agong, the highest official on the bench, No.1 Imam of Masjid Negara and IGP, the lot of you deserve to be spit on if this interest in Paris doesn't pique any of you just a teeny bit.
C'mon, time to bite the bullet and do what is right unless of course all your hands are just as tainted as that of Razak Baginda, Najib, Rosmah and Maslinda(she wasn't a woman wronged, being director and all).
If you have no part in the illicit Euro 114 million, why persist with the charade and make don't know while this caper has now been blown wide open ? JUSTICE FOR ALTANTUYA.
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written by Obadiyah, April 16, 2010 23:41:53
I WANT TO BUY THE MOVIE RIGHTS !!! This makes an EXCELLENT script !!!
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written by merchant222, April 16, 2010 23:25:44
Unfortunately, the MCA, MIC, GERAKAN bastards dare not say anything about the VAST CORRUPTION of BN because they are as I have implied....SELF-INTEREST, which goes to say they are involved in all projects or purchasing with their hands soiled with dirty money belonging to us all!
When are the people in HULU SELANGOR going to wake up??? I think they are from the kampong style mentality and as Najis just said then, "Pakatan BORROWED from BN to run that constituency".
So, he knows pretty well that these kampong fellas can be fooled. Ha! Ha! Ha!....HULU SELANGOR; ARE YOU FARKERS DAMN DUMB or PLAIN DUMB, I ask.
Bodoh Cina-kui, Bodoh India dan Bodoh punya Melayu if you vote BN! PhhTUI!
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written by merchant222, April 16, 2010 23:13:52
But of course, Perimekar just passed the buck to BasTEAD Holdings group because they are "owned" by LTAT (Lembuggers Tabong Angkatan Tentera?) and as the Defence Minister has the avenues and power to "churn" the deal to Baginda's advantage.
So, when 'Tan Si' Wok (you may ask who the farks is that) has to take over the burden, BUT OF COURSE, has to mark- up further to cover the toilet bowl and BUT OF COURSE, the Defence Minister will surely allow.
Who are THE ASS-HOLES? THE TAX PAYING RAKYAT! Again and Again and Again, it is the RAKYAT who always lose.....the money that they pay in form of taxes. Only blind and self interest BASTARDS wil still vote BN, "THE RAPIST"
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written by malgal, April 16, 2010 23:10:29
was that why our govt leaders have never expressed any condolences to altantuya's family for the sheer tragedy of her brutal murder?
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written by storm62, April 16, 2010 22:51:29
There like i've said many times before, Najis don't dare to sue the French Liberation Front on this.
He have his balls squeeze by the French people. His photos will be splashed across the globe if he tries anything funny with France.....ha ha ha najis, you want to buy from Russia?....we'll expose you, ha ha ha.
This is the best news for this weekend, i guess more to come next week.
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written by rastamasta, April 16, 2010 22:48:48
Well done Suaram!!!
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written by Aduh, April 16, 2010 22:45:28
Before this najis together with his senior prime minister , the fatty had lots of time to woo Pakatan MPs and ADUNs to cross over to strengthen beEND .and to enable him, the najis to stay longer as pm. But that has become history. It is no longer his priority. His main and only focus now is how to avoid ending up in jail.
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written by HJ Angus, April 16, 2010 22:43:20
Defense contracts are quite prone to corruption.
I can remember the Bofors scandal that happened way back when we had the first and only Indian as head of the Navy.
The basic problem is that defense contracts are supposedly TOP SECRET and I guess that even some bribes are not accounted for!
Let us watch as observe how efficient is the French justice system - they have caught ministers before.
http://malaysiawatch4.b******t...thing.html
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written by AlwaysFair, April 16, 2010 21:59:37
Tak Malu!!!! International fame and shame!!!
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written by Alice, April 16, 2010 21:44:08
This news keeps emerging again and again....... it never dies.....hehehe.Let justice prevail.
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written by Aduh, April 16, 2010 21:38:44
najis and roastmah.
You must be dead scared and having sleepless nights now. And you must be shitting and peeing in your pants without you realizing it. Hope it gets worse by the day for all the cruelty you have done to mankind.
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written by betasigma, April 16, 2010 21:27:46
what's next??najis n umno be end might hav to engage APCO's service to work in France next for millions paid with the rakyat hard earned money again????
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written by philip25, April 16, 2010 21:19:35
Where in the world you have leaders taking a cut for equipment bought for rakyaat & country. They steal from the people. After all it now cost more for the taxpayer. May you and razak burn in hell when the time comes and both of you die a slow painful death for cheating the rakyaat.
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written by arazak, April 16, 2010 20:06:08
Hello Jibby,
You think the Tel Aviv’s APCO can now clean up your tarnished image internationally?
You think with that RM70 million paid meeting with Obama could boost your rotten image?
“All the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten your bloody hand and you bloody bank accounts in Dubai, London and New York.” (this quote originally was Shakespeare, but I modified it to suit you).
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written by justice seeker, April 16, 2010 18:42:19
A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.
Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.
WE COULD HARDLY WAIT FOR ALL THE SHIT TO BE EXPOSED.
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written by ganbing, April 16, 2010 18:31:24
This has all the elements of an action thriller movie starring Najib Razak, no?
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written by educationist, April 16, 2010 18:19:23
Good!!
Let's hope the French will do a better job unearthing the slimy and stinking aspects of this corrupt deal!!
Altantuya had paid with her life!!
malaysian court and police have not provided any closure for her family!!
Perhaps the French police can!!
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written by Better My, April 16, 2010 18:04:42
This submarine scandal has the potential to blow up in Pm's face during the next GE.
Then it would be justice for the miseries that government has caused the rakyat.
Thrash ISA. Save Malaysia.
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written by carlitos, April 16, 2010 17:47:01
We should start a petition and send to the Judge in Paris - Why France have to pay $500 to a company when a lot of Malaysian are still poor. France participation in that corrupt practice is denying Malaysian of better life.
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written by kclim, April 16, 2010 17:41:37
ironically highly questionable clandestine deeds that seems submerged and unsinkable to Malaysia's iron clad corrupt leaders may now surface and be finally torpedoed in the long arm of a French court of law. Hope the French authorities expose and prosecute all the culprits involved on both sides of the shady arm deals. Vive la France !! Malaysia Boleh !!!
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written by kevinD, April 16, 2010 17:33:46
ALL IN THE NAME OF KETUANAN MELAYU !!!!!! BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO !!!!!!!
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written by cheekhiaw, April 16, 2010 17:14:46
"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics,"
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Who says no experience? Under them the whole country has gone underwater faster than the Scorpene!
xxx
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written by Angela Ooi, April 16, 2010 16:58:03
Admiral Tojo, you have taken the words off my mouth. May she continue to give these 'natangs' hell till justice is done.
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written by sandokan, April 16, 2010 16:57:44
FUKK U NAJIS, FUKK U FAT ROASTMAHH, FUKK U BEGGINDAS, FUKK U AMNO.
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written by batsman, April 16, 2010 16:54:22
Is the red boat following the Scorpene trying to put out the fire??? heeheehee
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written by hellosunshine, April 16, 2010 16:50:41
It's good the French have started investigations and maybe prosecutions on the French side but on the Malaysian side, the umnoputra monkeys will say "See no evil. Hear no evil. Speakee no evil." Until after GE13, that is. Just you wait, Najis and his lanuns.
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written by Fart Fart Wah, April 16, 2010 16:43:18
Here come Altuntuya.....comes again round the mountain..round the corner..straight for the fat mama's ass and baginda razak's too....of course the quiet pilot...don;t forget...Najib...The ghost of Altuntuya never sleeps...fat mama!!!
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written by Admiral Tojo, April 16, 2010 16:41:54
The Ghost of Altantuya continues to haunt Jibby and Rosmah. They have no shame and honor. Oh Shit!
Shalom
Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.
SPECIAL REPORTS
Friday, 16 April 2010 Super Admin
Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel
A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.
Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.
Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.
For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.
The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.
With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.
"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."
Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.
There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.
The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.
"Over the past years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."
As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.
Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.
She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.
The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.
The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.
In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.
Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."
"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be per diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."
As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.
Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million per year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.
"There are good grounds to believe that [Perimekar] was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.
COMMENTS: (29)
written by casper, April 17, 2010 00:18:02
We haven't achieved anything, NOTHING, even with this revelation and interest that is currently making the rounds in Paris. However, it should be all our concern if Ghani Patail would take another look and hopefully make space for an appeal on behalf of the deceased and her family back in Mongolia.
And still, even more puzzling, the two UTK fellas have a date with the hangman BUT no MOTIVE was ever established !!!! To the Yang Dipertuan Agong, the highest official on the bench, No.1 Imam of Masjid Negara and IGP, the lot of you deserve to be spit on if this interest in Paris doesn't pique any of you just a teeny bit.
C'mon, time to bite the bullet and do what is right unless of course all your hands are just as tainted as that of Razak Baginda, Najib, Rosmah and Maslinda(she wasn't a woman wronged, being director and all).
If you have no part in the illicit Euro 114 million, why persist with the charade and make don't know while this caper has now been blown wide open ? JUSTICE FOR ALTANTUYA.
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written by Obadiyah, April 16, 2010 23:41:53
I WANT TO BUY THE MOVIE RIGHTS !!! This makes an EXCELLENT script !!!
+10 ...
written by merchant222, April 16, 2010 23:25:44
Unfortunately, the MCA, MIC, GERAKAN bastards dare not say anything about the VAST CORRUPTION of BN because they are as I have implied....SELF-INTEREST, which goes to say they are involved in all projects or purchasing with their hands soiled with dirty money belonging to us all!
When are the people in HULU SELANGOR going to wake up??? I think they are from the kampong style mentality and as Najis just said then, "Pakatan BORROWED from BN to run that constituency".
So, he knows pretty well that these kampong fellas can be fooled. Ha! Ha! Ha!....HULU SELANGOR; ARE YOU FARKERS DAMN DUMB or PLAIN DUMB, I ask.
Bodoh Cina-kui, Bodoh India dan Bodoh punya Melayu if you vote BN! PhhTUI!
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written by merchant222, April 16, 2010 23:13:52
But of course, Perimekar just passed the buck to BasTEAD Holdings group because they are "owned" by LTAT (Lembuggers Tabong Angkatan Tentera?) and as the Defence Minister has the avenues and power to "churn" the deal to Baginda's advantage.
So, when 'Tan Si' Wok (you may ask who the farks is that) has to take over the burden, BUT OF COURSE, has to mark- up further to cover the toilet bowl and BUT OF COURSE, the Defence Minister will surely allow.
Who are THE ASS-HOLES? THE TAX PAYING RAKYAT! Again and Again and Again, it is the RAKYAT who always lose.....the money that they pay in form of taxes. Only blind and self interest BASTARDS wil still vote BN, "THE RAPIST"
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written by malgal, April 16, 2010 23:10:29
was that why our govt leaders have never expressed any condolences to altantuya's family for the sheer tragedy of her brutal murder?
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written by storm62, April 16, 2010 22:51:29
There like i've said many times before, Najis don't dare to sue the French Liberation Front on this.
He have his balls squeeze by the French people. His photos will be splashed across the globe if he tries anything funny with France.....ha ha ha najis, you want to buy from Russia?....we'll expose you, ha ha ha.
This is the best news for this weekend, i guess more to come next week.
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written by rastamasta, April 16, 2010 22:48:48
Well done Suaram!!!
+14 ...
written by Aduh, April 16, 2010 22:45:28
Before this najis together with his senior prime minister , the fatty had lots of time to woo Pakatan MPs and ADUNs to cross over to strengthen beEND .and to enable him, the najis to stay longer as pm. But that has become history. It is no longer his priority. His main and only focus now is how to avoid ending up in jail.
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written by HJ Angus, April 16, 2010 22:43:20
Defense contracts are quite prone to corruption.
I can remember the Bofors scandal that happened way back when we had the first and only Indian as head of the Navy.
The basic problem is that defense contracts are supposedly TOP SECRET and I guess that even some bribes are not accounted for!
Let us watch as observe how efficient is the French justice system - they have caught ministers before.
http://malaysiawatch4.b******t...thing.html
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written by AlwaysFair, April 16, 2010 21:59:37
Tak Malu!!!! International fame and shame!!!
+22 ...
written by Alice, April 16, 2010 21:44:08
This news keeps emerging again and again....... it never dies.....hehehe.Let justice prevail.
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written by Aduh, April 16, 2010 21:38:44
najis and roastmah.
You must be dead scared and having sleepless nights now. And you must be shitting and peeing in your pants without you realizing it. Hope it gets worse by the day for all the cruelty you have done to mankind.
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written by betasigma, April 16, 2010 21:27:46
what's next??najis n umno be end might hav to engage APCO's service to work in France next for millions paid with the rakyat hard earned money again????
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written by philip25, April 16, 2010 21:19:35
Where in the world you have leaders taking a cut for equipment bought for rakyaat & country. They steal from the people. After all it now cost more for the taxpayer. May you and razak burn in hell when the time comes and both of you die a slow painful death for cheating the rakyaat.
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written by arazak, April 16, 2010 20:06:08
Hello Jibby,
You think the Tel Aviv’s APCO can now clean up your tarnished image internationally?
You think with that RM70 million paid meeting with Obama could boost your rotten image?
“All the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten your bloody hand and you bloody bank accounts in Dubai, London and New York.” (this quote originally was Shakespeare, but I modified it to suit you).
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written by justice seeker, April 16, 2010 18:42:19
A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.
Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.
WE COULD HARDLY WAIT FOR ALL THE SHIT TO BE EXPOSED.
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written by ganbing, April 16, 2010 18:31:24
This has all the elements of an action thriller movie starring Najib Razak, no?
+66 ...
written by educationist, April 16, 2010 18:19:23
Good!!
Let's hope the French will do a better job unearthing the slimy and stinking aspects of this corrupt deal!!
Altantuya had paid with her life!!
malaysian court and police have not provided any closure for her family!!
Perhaps the French police can!!
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written by Better My, April 16, 2010 18:04:42
This submarine scandal has the potential to blow up in Pm's face during the next GE.
Then it would be justice for the miseries that government has caused the rakyat.
Thrash ISA. Save Malaysia.
+78 ...
written by carlitos, April 16, 2010 17:47:01
We should start a petition and send to the Judge in Paris - Why France have to pay $500 to a company when a lot of Malaysian are still poor. France participation in that corrupt practice is denying Malaysian of better life.
+70 ...
written by kclim, April 16, 2010 17:41:37
ironically highly questionable clandestine deeds that seems submerged and unsinkable to Malaysia's iron clad corrupt leaders may now surface and be finally torpedoed in the long arm of a French court of law. Hope the French authorities expose and prosecute all the culprits involved on both sides of the shady arm deals. Vive la France !! Malaysia Boleh !!!
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written by kevinD, April 16, 2010 17:33:46
ALL IN THE NAME OF KETUANAN MELAYU !!!!!! BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO !!!!!!!
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written by cheekhiaw, April 16, 2010 17:14:46
"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics,"
----
Who says no experience? Under them the whole country has gone underwater faster than the Scorpene!
xxx
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written by Angela Ooi, April 16, 2010 16:58:03
Admiral Tojo, you have taken the words off my mouth. May she continue to give these 'natangs' hell till justice is done.
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written by sandokan, April 16, 2010 16:57:44
FUKK U NAJIS, FUKK U FAT ROASTMAHH, FUKK U BEGGINDAS, FUKK U AMNO.
+90 ...
written by batsman, April 16, 2010 16:54:22
Is the red boat following the Scorpene trying to put out the fire??? heeheehee
+48 ...
written by hellosunshine, April 16, 2010 16:50:41
It's good the French have started investigations and maybe prosecutions on the French side but on the Malaysian side, the umnoputra monkeys will say "See no evil. Hear no evil. Speakee no evil." Until after GE13, that is. Just you wait, Najis and his lanuns.
+98 ...
written by Fart Fart Wah, April 16, 2010 16:43:18
Here come Altuntuya.....comes again round the mountain..round the corner..straight for the fat mama's ass and baginda razak's too....of course the quiet pilot...don;t forget...Najib...The ghost of Altuntuya never sleeps...fat mama!!!
+101 ...
written by Admiral Tojo, April 16, 2010 16:41:54
The Ghost of Altantuya continues to haunt Jibby and Rosmah. They have no shame and honor. Oh Shit!
Shalom
Thursday, April 8, 2010
BUKIT AMAN'S ISRAELI CONNECTION
On 27 June 2008, Malaysia Today revealed that Israeli intelligence had penetrated Bukit Aman. Malaysia Today said, Izhak David Nakar served in the Israel Air Force and developed the intelligence system for the Israeli Defense Force. Ido Schechter is a captain in the Israeli Air Force. They are both behind PDRM’s computerisation program.
THE CORRIDORS OF POWER
Raja Petra Kamarudin
Anwar claims Bukit Aman infiltrated by Israeli spies
Opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim continued attacking the government today over what he claimed was its infiltration by Israeli intelligence, by alleging in Parliament that agents working for Tel Aviv had worked as contractors in Bukit Aman Federal police headquarters.
In what seems clearly as an attempt to reduce the Barisan Nasional (BN) government’s credentials among conservative Muslims, Anwar claimed that Israeli agents have worked in Bukit Aman’s communications server room.
He claimed that the agents were working for Asiasoft Malaysia, a sub-contractor engaged by Master Plan Consulting Sdn Bhd to perform an upgrade of communication systems for the police.
Anwar named Police Director of Logistics Mansuri Zainal as the person who had made the allegation in a letter to the Home Ministry which was also signed by an unnamed Special Branch officer.
Anwar did not say how he obtained the information surrounding the allegation.
“On Nov 25, 2008, the then Home Minister was briefed at 4pm in the KLIA VIP room about concerns raised by the police, specifically, the logistics department and the special branch,” he told Parliament when debating the Supplementary Supply Bill.
“Then between November and December, a police report was lodged by the responsible police officers and investigated by one ASP Sairah. Then Sairah was transferred to Taiping and there was no news after that,” he said. -- The Malaysian Insider
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The Royal Malaysian Police (PDRM) is in the process of computerising its operations so that it is better equipped to solve and reduce serious crimes such as Bloggers slandering the Deputy Prime Minister’s wife and whatnot.
Three companies have been short-listed to undertake this work -- Master Plan Consulting Sdn Bhd, System Protocol Information Sdn Bhd and D. G. Kom Sdn Bhd. But these three companies were given different phases of these contracts on condition that they all sub-contract the work to Asiasoft (M) Sdn Bhd.
Who are the people behind Asiasoft and how come they wield immense power in the police force? And what is the Israeli link? Let us examine the facts.
Master Plan Consulting Sdn Bhd (357303-V)
The company is owned by Raja Azlina Binti Raja Abdul Jalil (3 million shares) and Ahmad Firdaus Bin Abdul Halim (2 million shares). They are both Directors of the company. The company has RM26 million in assets and RM6.6 million in liabilities with a paid up capital of RM5 million.
System Protocol Information Sdn Bhd (603787-M)
The company is owned by Aswadi Anuar Bin Shamsudin (350,000 shares) and Mohd Supardi Bin Abdul Majid (150,000 shares). The Directors are Aswadi and Raziah Binti Sidek who share the same residential address and therefore could be husband and wife. The company has about RM2.3 million in assets and RM1.8 million in liabilities with a paid up capital of RM500,000.
D. G. Kom Sdn Bhd (87537-V)
The company is owned by Saki Almahdaly Holdings Sdn Bhd (6,075,000 shares), WYN Resources Sdn Bhd (1,215,000 shares), PFB & Anak-anak Holdings Sdn Bhd (405,000 shares) and Prodaya Sdn Bhd (405,000 shares). The Directors are Syed Abd Kadir Bin Ibrahim, Dato’ Mohammad Radzi Bin Salleh and Nor Azman Bin Abdul Karim. The company’s assets are RM26 million against liabilities of RM19 million with paid up capital of RM7.6 million.
Asiasoft (M) Sdn Bhd (150529-H)
The company is owned by Bees System Sdn Bhd (350,000 shares) and Asiasoft (Singapore) Pte Ltd (15,000 shares). The Directors are Toh Kian Hong (Singapore citizen), Lim Tze Kuang and Lim See Hui. The assets of the company are RM4 million against liabilities of RM1.8 million with a paid up capital of RM500,000.
Bees System Sdn Bhd (422358-V)
The company is owned by Lim See Hui (12,500 shares) and Lim Tze Kuang, Lim Mee Yoke, Lim Moi Lan, Lim Mooi Kim and Lim Mee Chin (who own RM2,500 shares each). The Directors are Lim Mooi Kim, Lim Mee Yoke, Lim See Hui, Lim Mee Chin and Seow Bee Ching @ Chee Bee Ching. The company’s assets are RM7.7 million against liabilities of RM4.8 million with a paid up capital of RM25,000.
Asiasoft (Singapore) Pte Ltd
Toh Kian Hong, the Singaporean Director of Asiasoft (M) Sdn Bhd, is also a Director of Asiasoft (S) Pte Ltd. The other Directors are Izhak David Nakar (Israeli), Ido Schechter (Israeli) and Shoshani Eliahou Moshe (Israeli with Singapore PR). The company is wholly owned by Asiasoft Global Pte Ltd.
Asiasoft Global Pte Ltd
The Directors of the company are Toh Kian Hong (Singapore citizen), Izhak David Nakar (Israeli) and Ido Schechter (Israeli). The shareholders are Toh and Top Image System Limited (Israel).
Top Image Systems Limited
You can read about the company in the following link: http://www.topimagesystems.com/
Izhak David Nakar (Israeli passport number 10902695)
Izhak David Nakar founded Top Image Systems Limited and served as Chairman of the Board and CEO from inception until May 2001. In 2005, he was re-elected as the Chairman of the Board and in this position is responsible for TIS’s strategic M&A activity.
Mr. Nakar served in the Israel Air Force from 1970 to 1987, where he led various large-scale highly technical development projects, including leading a development team that worked in cooperation with the U.S. Air Force. He received his B.Sc. in Computer Science from Bar Ilan University in 1982, and an MBA from Tel-Aviv University in 1984. Mr. Nakar is a recipient of the “Israel Defense Award,” bestowed annually by the President of Israel, for the development of high-tech systems in the field of intelligence for the Israeli Defense Force. He also received the “Man of the Year Award” in Business and Management (‘95-’96) in recognition of his business accomplishments and contributions to the growth and development of Israeli high-tech companies.
In 1998, Mr. Nakar founded NIR4YOU Capital, a privately held investment company specializing in early stage investments in high–tech companies. NIR4YOU Capital has 14 companies on its portfolio including: ForesCout, e-mobilis, TopGuard, Matearis, Video Codes, SundaySky, Secur DI, MomSense, etc. Three of the 14 companies were sold to large enterprises, including SAP and Microsoft. In 2004 Mr. Nakar was elected as a Board member of the Israel-Japan chamber of Commerce.
(http://www.topimagesystems.com/IntPage.asp?Par=1&id=9)
Ido Schechter (Israeli passport number 56626252)
Dr. Schechter has been with Top Image Systems Limited for 9 years and is serving as the Company's CEO since January 2002. Prior to that, Dr. Ido Schechter was the Company's Vice President of Sales and Marketing from August 1996. From January 1995 until August 1996, Mr. Schechter served as General Manager of Super Image, an affiliate of the Company; which operates a form processing service bureau.
From August 1993 to December 1994, Mr. Schechter oversaw the start-up of automatic form processing services at Israel Credit Cards, Ltd. From 1991 to 1993, Mr. Schechter was a research scientist at the Horticultural Research Institute of Ontario, Canada. Mr. Schechter is the recipient of eight Honors and Scholarships, has published or presented more than twenty-five articles and is a Captain in the Israeli Air Force. Mr. Schechter received his Ph.D. and M.Sc. in Plant Physiology from the University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada and his B.Sc. from the Hebrew University in Israel.
(http://www.topimagesystems.com/IntPage.asp?Par=1&id=9)
THE CORRIDORS OF POWER
Raja Petra Kamarudin
Anwar claims Bukit Aman infiltrated by Israeli spies
Opposition leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim continued attacking the government today over what he claimed was its infiltration by Israeli intelligence, by alleging in Parliament that agents working for Tel Aviv had worked as contractors in Bukit Aman Federal police headquarters.
In what seems clearly as an attempt to reduce the Barisan Nasional (BN) government’s credentials among conservative Muslims, Anwar claimed that Israeli agents have worked in Bukit Aman’s communications server room.
He claimed that the agents were working for Asiasoft Malaysia, a sub-contractor engaged by Master Plan Consulting Sdn Bhd to perform an upgrade of communication systems for the police.
Anwar named Police Director of Logistics Mansuri Zainal as the person who had made the allegation in a letter to the Home Ministry which was also signed by an unnamed Special Branch officer.
Anwar did not say how he obtained the information surrounding the allegation.
“On Nov 25, 2008, the then Home Minister was briefed at 4pm in the KLIA VIP room about concerns raised by the police, specifically, the logistics department and the special branch,” he told Parliament when debating the Supplementary Supply Bill.
“Then between November and December, a police report was lodged by the responsible police officers and investigated by one ASP Sairah. Then Sairah was transferred to Taiping and there was no news after that,” he said. -- The Malaysian Insider
*************************************************
The Royal Malaysian Police (PDRM) is in the process of computerising its operations so that it is better equipped to solve and reduce serious crimes such as Bloggers slandering the Deputy Prime Minister’s wife and whatnot.
Three companies have been short-listed to undertake this work -- Master Plan Consulting Sdn Bhd, System Protocol Information Sdn Bhd and D. G. Kom Sdn Bhd. But these three companies were given different phases of these contracts on condition that they all sub-contract the work to Asiasoft (M) Sdn Bhd.
Who are the people behind Asiasoft and how come they wield immense power in the police force? And what is the Israeli link? Let us examine the facts.
Master Plan Consulting Sdn Bhd (357303-V)
The company is owned by Raja Azlina Binti Raja Abdul Jalil (3 million shares) and Ahmad Firdaus Bin Abdul Halim (2 million shares). They are both Directors of the company. The company has RM26 million in assets and RM6.6 million in liabilities with a paid up capital of RM5 million.
System Protocol Information Sdn Bhd (603787-M)
The company is owned by Aswadi Anuar Bin Shamsudin (350,000 shares) and Mohd Supardi Bin Abdul Majid (150,000 shares). The Directors are Aswadi and Raziah Binti Sidek who share the same residential address and therefore could be husband and wife. The company has about RM2.3 million in assets and RM1.8 million in liabilities with a paid up capital of RM500,000.
D. G. Kom Sdn Bhd (87537-V)
The company is owned by Saki Almahdaly Holdings Sdn Bhd (6,075,000 shares), WYN Resources Sdn Bhd (1,215,000 shares), PFB & Anak-anak Holdings Sdn Bhd (405,000 shares) and Prodaya Sdn Bhd (405,000 shares). The Directors are Syed Abd Kadir Bin Ibrahim, Dato’ Mohammad Radzi Bin Salleh and Nor Azman Bin Abdul Karim. The company’s assets are RM26 million against liabilities of RM19 million with paid up capital of RM7.6 million.
Asiasoft (M) Sdn Bhd (150529-H)
The company is owned by Bees System Sdn Bhd (350,000 shares) and Asiasoft (Singapore) Pte Ltd (15,000 shares). The Directors are Toh Kian Hong (Singapore citizen), Lim Tze Kuang and Lim See Hui. The assets of the company are RM4 million against liabilities of RM1.8 million with a paid up capital of RM500,000.
Bees System Sdn Bhd (422358-V)
The company is owned by Lim See Hui (12,500 shares) and Lim Tze Kuang, Lim Mee Yoke, Lim Moi Lan, Lim Mooi Kim and Lim Mee Chin (who own RM2,500 shares each). The Directors are Lim Mooi Kim, Lim Mee Yoke, Lim See Hui, Lim Mee Chin and Seow Bee Ching @ Chee Bee Ching. The company’s assets are RM7.7 million against liabilities of RM4.8 million with a paid up capital of RM25,000.
Asiasoft (Singapore) Pte Ltd
Toh Kian Hong, the Singaporean Director of Asiasoft (M) Sdn Bhd, is also a Director of Asiasoft (S) Pte Ltd. The other Directors are Izhak David Nakar (Israeli), Ido Schechter (Israeli) and Shoshani Eliahou Moshe (Israeli with Singapore PR). The company is wholly owned by Asiasoft Global Pte Ltd.
Asiasoft Global Pte Ltd
The Directors of the company are Toh Kian Hong (Singapore citizen), Izhak David Nakar (Israeli) and Ido Schechter (Israeli). The shareholders are Toh and Top Image System Limited (Israel).
Top Image Systems Limited
You can read about the company in the following link: http://www.topimagesystems.com/
Izhak David Nakar (Israeli passport number 10902695)
Izhak David Nakar founded Top Image Systems Limited and served as Chairman of the Board and CEO from inception until May 2001. In 2005, he was re-elected as the Chairman of the Board and in this position is responsible for TIS’s strategic M&A activity.
Mr. Nakar served in the Israel Air Force from 1970 to 1987, where he led various large-scale highly technical development projects, including leading a development team that worked in cooperation with the U.S. Air Force. He received his B.Sc. in Computer Science from Bar Ilan University in 1982, and an MBA from Tel-Aviv University in 1984. Mr. Nakar is a recipient of the “Israel Defense Award,” bestowed annually by the President of Israel, for the development of high-tech systems in the field of intelligence for the Israeli Defense Force. He also received the “Man of the Year Award” in Business and Management (‘95-’96) in recognition of his business accomplishments and contributions to the growth and development of Israeli high-tech companies.
In 1998, Mr. Nakar founded NIR4YOU Capital, a privately held investment company specializing in early stage investments in high–tech companies. NIR4YOU Capital has 14 companies on its portfolio including: ForesCout, e-mobilis, TopGuard, Matearis, Video Codes, SundaySky, Secur DI, MomSense, etc. Three of the 14 companies were sold to large enterprises, including SAP and Microsoft. In 2004 Mr. Nakar was elected as a Board member of the Israel-Japan chamber of Commerce.
(http://www.topimagesystems.com/IntPage.asp?Par=1&id=9)
Ido Schechter (Israeli passport number 56626252)
Dr. Schechter has been with Top Image Systems Limited for 9 years and is serving as the Company's CEO since January 2002. Prior to that, Dr. Ido Schechter was the Company's Vice President of Sales and Marketing from August 1996. From January 1995 until August 1996, Mr. Schechter served as General Manager of Super Image, an affiliate of the Company; which operates a form processing service bureau.
From August 1993 to December 1994, Mr. Schechter oversaw the start-up of automatic form processing services at Israel Credit Cards, Ltd. From 1991 to 1993, Mr. Schechter was a research scientist at the Horticultural Research Institute of Ontario, Canada. Mr. Schechter is the recipient of eight Honors and Scholarships, has published or presented more than twenty-five articles and is a Captain in the Israeli Air Force. Mr. Schechter received his Ph.D. and M.Sc. in Plant Physiology from the University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada and his B.Sc. from the Hebrew University in Israel.
(http://www.topimagesystems.com/IntPage.asp?Par=1&id=9)
COMMENTS re : BUKIT AMAN'S ISRAELI CONNECTION
Comments (52)
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written by Catharsis, April 08, 2010 20:54:28
The biggest IRONY is we cannot visit Israel But Jews can Visit Malaysia and work in our security zone- HAHAHAHA what a sick joke!!!!!!!!!!!!
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written by datuk tanah, April 08, 2010 19:06:23
UMNO have always been anti Jews. All those years of rhetorics have come to zero with this revelation. It clear that when the issues comes down to corrupt money our evil regime is prepared to sell out the national security to the highest bidder First it was jet engines and now PDRM security systems.UMNO treats Isreal as the énemy'. Today UMNO are the traitors. 'This is the biggest betrayal of this decade outside the missing jet engine issue. Malaysia Bolih!
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written by sedan, April 08, 2010 15:05:22
Jews and Chinese are not the same. Jews are way ahead in terms of classical music, art, film production, scientific advancement, banking and even human rights activism. The best critiques of Israel are indeed Jews.
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written by mikewang, April 08, 2010 13:53:21
Haha... Chinese Jews are not good enough for UMNO.
They must work with the real ones.
The returns must be much better.
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written by avj, April 08, 2010 13:51:37
To the many readers who commented that there is nothing wrong in being a Jew or to be born a Jew, I agree completely. But World Zionism is an entirely different issue, it is no better than Nazism or Kekuatan Melayu. .The issue here is definitely World Zionism.
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written by Hanuman, April 08, 2010 13:10:17
Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhist or Atheist..........they are all humans. The appointment of these Jews in Malaysian Govt services are blown out of proportion because of the prejudices and long harboured hatred and animosity amongst the followers of these 2 great faiths...........which I am more than sure was never encouraged nor taught by their prophets.
Its just like saying a Malaysian cannot work in or with the administration of another country's government other than Malaysia. Please note these are basically professionals unless you can prove that they are spies.
An interesting point to note is there are thousands of Jews, if not millions, working for the American Government. So are we saying they all work for Israel?
Having said that, to some extent, I do agree that some services must be managed and designed by Malaysians only, like the security of our country BUT since BN is so corrupt and has been introducing policies to marginalise the pendatangs including the poor Melayus in the kampongs, where can we get Malaysian Expertise who are able to undertake the tasks?
I blame it all on our Governement rather than the Jews for I believed they are true professionals.
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written by sedan, April 07, 2010 21:25:42
This is a typical Ali Baba operation. Baba thinks he is an Oriental Jew and thus enlists real Jewish expertise to upgrade Ali's safe vaults. In the process, they loot millions of taxpayer's money.
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written by Bullchick, April 07, 2010 21:21:11
The Mossad has probably got Jibby by the balls! Or maybe the PIG has got both his hands on Jibby's scrotal sacs and are squeezing them as hard as he can to extend his tenure as PIG! B K Tan, Goh Cheng Poh @ Tengku; all these sound so familiar! Also maybe carpetman has his hands on the Big Fat Mama's nuts! Wah, this is getting so intriguing and exciting!
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written by sedan, April 07, 2010 21:06:04
This contract with the PDRM should have gone to an Indian software firm. Kindly do your research. But the institutional racism in Malaysia prevent any such notion. Now, the Israelis are upgrading the PDRM's most sensitive systems. Poetic justice
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written by betasigma, April 07, 2010 20:48:13
who knows,may be the Mosaad hav already got hold of a 'threesome' photo of altantuya in paris??? we can't rule out the possibility,can we??
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written by Sashi Nair, April 07, 2010 17:59:20
Dear RPK,
Firstly I am a big fan and still have at least 2 of the Free RPK t-shirts in my closet, met you in Seremban the day or day after you were released from Kamunting. But I am disappointed with the Israel bashing that’s going on.
You know that all Israeli citizens have compulsory army service requirements, so obviously this 2 guys had some military training. The entire article harps on the fact that these guys were Jews. What’s wrong with being Jew? I hate it when PR uses the Jewish bait for votes. Why is this such an important issue that the leader of the opposition has to speak about it in Parliament, are we void of better issues, aren’t there more pressing problems in Boleh-land?
I hate Zionism, I hate the regime in Israel and the fact the learned world leaders will not or cannot put a stop at the genocide in the holy land, but I have no problems with Israeli citizens. So I find all this articles rather disappointing.
Sorry for being the odd one out, but we can do better.
Sashi
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written by a guest, April 07, 2010 15:31:12
Israel is not the enemy here, in this case it is the BN government. The Malaysian BN government are the once that have said that the Israelis are devils and anyone who has any connection with them are bound for hell. So why is BN doing business with the devil?
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written by flyer168, April 07, 2010 05:11:21
Looks like our National Leaders with their "Past Skeletons / Spilled Silver Bullets" are now being used against them to "Control/Squeeze" them by their "Orbs/Juglars" by the "Foreign Powers that be" as "Puppets". The Pandora's Box is opened again another Jaguh Kampung Charade, but this time it could "Backfire" Let us sit back & watch the response from the International Muslim Brotherhood nations on one side, the Shin Bet connections, Israel & the US. "A pound of flesh" payback time will come soon for this "Cry-baby" charade.
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written by Admiral Tojo, April 07, 2010 05:00:15
Yet, the MORON of an IGP says he require more proof. Very CLEAR indeed Pete. Shalom
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written by magickriver, April 07, 2010 02:54:19
Absolutely BRILLIANT, Pete! A thousand and one tabiks to you for uploading these undeniable details. This info has been floating around for almost two years... now it's finally grounded! Go eat shit, Musa.
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written by SoundMan, April 07, 2010 01:00:36
educationist, April 06, 2010 19:50:57
The IGP asks for proof!!
If this is not proof, i wonder what else can be considered as proof!!
The IGP just hasn't got the time!
You must forgive the IGP, the man is under enormous political pressure from both the UMNo types - and the nuisance causing opposition. Marking stacks of Police Reports for action is exhausting. In addition to having his men and boys in uniform get out and about at all hours to arrest and kick a fuss up with the Opposition at their rallies and parties, is no means easy, stretch thin on the ground as they are. In addition, working with the limited brain capacity of his storm troops is an issue he has to wrestle with on a daily basis. Those yobs would do the darners things.
The intelligent bunch get their just deserts with demotions, jail time and court cases. IGP has to keep the gravy pipeline flowing, as it were. Screwing Najib for extra pay for the boys was a tough act, queezing the gangsters for his retirement fund at the self same time....stress, man, stress...
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written by rocky, April 07, 2010 00:04:35
why must they all sub to one supplier? what is the deal there? and direct israel ownership...what is going on? for money, these Malaysian guys will sleep with the devil although some will pray 5 times a day and call themselves good muslim. puiiiii
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written by justice6, April 06, 2010 23:52:43
indirectly Malaysian govt are funding Israel ... mana si Zul tu? ... senyap saja... Brahim also senyap?
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written by lakian, April 06, 2010 23:29:28
I don't reject Isreali to work anf to invest in malaysia.we can supply or buy hi-tec and sorts,nothing go wrong,Allah or God created all living things and this world.discrimination should be asided racialism,and religionism,colorism and no regionism should we emphasize globalism.we must treat and be treated rightiously and fair.do not condemn or being condemned once in either position.same song should we sing and dance.umno can be islreali agent or no so then anwar could be US agent or not.so what is wrong?no one can live independently,no politic can survive without political support either from home or foreign.whelther if you are chinese,arabic,isreali,american...........regardless of nationalism,all are born equal.
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written by panca, April 06, 2010 22:17:49
With money, anything goes with umoOOno! They even sell their own mother's backside!
They can shout all the shit about zionist for all you care but they do the unimaginable.
There is nothing against the Jews per se but just don't condemn them, shouting incessantly against them(khairy oxfart ; oxford is when you use the brain, oxfart is when your brain farts) and misled and keep misleading the kampong folks into believing you are the champion for the religion and Palestinian cause! TDM, is not your tongue wagging too? UmonoOO is full of shit. Hey BTW...can the uncultured and misinformation monster anything to add??? All these pathetic souls are pawned to the devil.
Sure or not they are going to heaven? They pray almost every session of the day and see what they have done?
Don't just conveniently put the blame on the Jews. Just look at the mirror and if you see the man in it - these collaborators known as the champion of race and religion - umooOno.
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written by ak_malaysia, April 06, 2010 21:55:45
Hi Pete. bravo! Gee, how did you get all the charts and info? Now who says RPK simply accuse? Here is the proof.. hardcopies too!
Take good care. God bless and protect you and your family always.
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written by bknight, April 06, 2010 21:50:52
not only that our passport is not allowed to enter israel, a country with we "hantam sekuat kuat nya rejim ganas zioinis" , but they can even have this evil regime's key personnel coming into our country AND sits in the place where they have complete access to our homeland security infrastructure..
ketuanan what ?? my arse!!
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written by Aduh, April 06, 2010 21:40:42
ibrahim ali the frog and mamakdhir the newly recruited messenger boy to perkasa ,
Is the bukit tak pernah aman's isreali connection very much acceptable to your movement's objectives ??? We want to hear from your foaming mouth.
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written by sedan, April 06, 2010 21:21:57
What's the point of banning Malaysians from visiting Israel is Umnoputeras get to go there every time. There are lots of historical places to visit there.
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written by Motherchell, April 06, 2010 20:31:44
UMNO is the only entity who can purchase anything from Israel if they smell money can be made in the bargain!!!!!!!
written by justice6, April 06, 2010 20:30:10
and the idiots are the umno supporters...till now still can't wake up...
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written by betasigma, April 06, 2010 20:25:24
hmmnn...so who dare to say that MT always tell lie now?????it is now in the open engagement mode now...!!!
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written by Sabahfan, April 06, 2010 20:16:22
AND for 50 years, the UMNO has been bullshitting the malays referring to Israel as REGIME ZIONIST and yet here they are giving contracts to the country they condemned like anything But isnt it surprising? wasnt the KLIA built by OSAMA bin Laden? UMNO malaysial govt the greatest hipocrite in the universe UMNO MALAYS pls continue to kiss the azzz of your masters
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written by educationist, April 06, 2010 19:50:57
The IGP asks for proof!!
If this is not proof, i wonder what else can be considered as proof!!
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written by Susuit, April 06, 2010 19:49:51
The only counrty we can't visit is Israel (Enemy of Islamic Nation). Yet on the other hand, they are corporating with them. Cakap tak serupa bikin. Membodoh-bodohkan rakyat sahaja.
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written by a guest, April 06, 2010 19:15:40
When the Umno/BN federal government falls, we will see the like of Mamak Kutty, Najis,C4Rosemok, Musang, Guni and others migrating to Israel. Believe me, I am sure the Israel passports are in their possession by now.
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written by NanoNano, April 06, 2010 19:09:37
And syd, following from what RPK said, due to the nature of Malaysia's relations with Israel, Malaysia is NOT permitted to have any direct or indirect commercial or economic ties with the state of Israel!
Has this sunk in yet, syd?
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written by flyer168, April 06, 2010 19:07:08
Dear RPK,
Congratulations, you have succeeded in your Investigative Journalism as usual to add to the many "Ills" of Bolehland.
The Nation & its Citizens of many Race, Cultures & Religion, etc will "See some Light" at the end of this 41 year old "Tunnel o Despair".
RPK & our "Defenders of Truth & Justice" have done us proud.
Take care Pet & Marina whever you are & may God Almighty continue to Bless & Protect You & family.
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written by youngbags, April 06, 2010 19:04:21
This is Malaysia, as long as it is UMNO then "tak apa la" they are doing our country good. sounds familiar from our Fugly Brahim?
It is enough majority of Malaysians are being fooled by this UMNOs. Lets not allow them to run wild and squandered our country. They will bleed this land to enriched themselves with whichever means possible and i mean whichever way possible. I pity you Malaysians.
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written by betasigma, April 06, 2010 18:48:24
our passport states clearly that we can't go to israel,but some israelist tainted with zionist connection are free to roam here besides making millions from our hard earned tax payers' money cohort with the super-hypocritical umno be end thieves n bandits burning holes on our pockets..what's happening??who is actually jew's agent???anwar or umno???u should know by now!!!!
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written by datuk tanah, April 06, 2010 18:47:45
Mussad has got PDRM and UMNO by the balls. I certainly admire how the Jews do it. UMNO is speechless. They have been painted to a corner again. Let us see how PDRM wriggles out of this predicament.
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written by Wakeupmsia, April 06, 2010 18:36:36
Mampus lah! Not only Malaysia's security being compromised but how will the Muslim world look at Malaysia. Will we have Arabs tourists come here....again?
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written by Awang Kuku, April 06, 2010 18:33:10
Yeah! Make this big news (it is not really news. RPK already highlighted it a year ago) a campaign strategy. Blow the minds of the Malay voters there in Hulu Selangor.
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written by storm62, April 06, 2010 18:32:21
Let's hear it from the rest of the OIC Countries.
No wonder they have an Israel flag at the PWTC.
+50 ...
written by batsman, April 06, 2010 18:29:30
The inevitable has happened. Singapore military is largely trained by Israeli military. Singapore is largest investor in Malaysia. South Johor is being sold to Singaporeans. Eventually Israeli influence will come into Malaysia through the backdoor of Singapore. We already see it in 1Malaysia (sounds like 1Israel doesn't it?). Looks like the Isreali police and spies are now coming into PDRM.
Those who admire the Zionists better wake up before your brains get scrambled by Zionist influence.
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written by Super Admin, April 06, 2010 18:27:47
Dear syd, first of all, Malaysians are banned from going to Israel. Secondly, Umno says Anwar Ibrahim is a US-Jewish agent. Do I need to say more or are you intelligent enough to now understand what this all means?
RPK
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written by Old Man, April 06, 2010 18:21:35
Hey Ibrahim Katak, where's your Crooked Knife?
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written by syd, April 06, 2010 18:21:03
are we at war with israel? did the israelites bomb or kill any malaysian? Their war is against the arabs, not us. every year, malaysian government buys numerous technical equipment from various countries, including the US, russia, Eu, Uk japan etc. and nobody said a thing. Even singapore buys some technical products from malaysian companies, or malaysian based in singapore. Their water treatment products was given to a lady from batu pahat(not A Yam, but who knows). Compare this to the numerous arab types now in thi country, who are indulging in criminal activities, including snatch theives (my sister a victim) who then use the info obtain in the bag to threaten and blackmail the vicitm. despite police reports as their mobile numbers are recorded, nothing was done by our policemen. I say we should go further and employ israel defence force personnel and even their police force to train our lethargic PDRM.
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written by Angela Ooi, April 06, 2010 18:02:13
The shady dealings of munafique dUMNO makes one sick to the stomach. The Zionists are working on the ONE BILLION $$ for upgrade of communications centre so that PDRM can hammer bloggers who slander the fragant name of stench and gas-filled Roastporkymah. Aisay, this is really2 tooo much!
Vote these BN Bastards out.
VOTER gets VOTERS, you have my vote!!
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written by Aduh, April 06, 2010 17:59:49
A good issue to raise in the Hulu Selangor campaign. It is a subject that is bound to sink easily into the Malay voters' head.
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written by datuk tanah, April 06, 2010 17:58:43
Mussad has PDRM by the balls. Who says the Jews are stupid.
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written by NanoNano, April 06, 2010 17:51:18
Again 1 billione bolehland mullah! I did skim tru the Star and there was an article that said something about this PDRM coms upgrade (didn't quite connect your write up with that). The price quoted was 980 milliones in that article and was wondering coms upgrade that costs 980m. 9.8m is already too much!
Perhaps the package comes with an Israeli satellite plus the launch vehicle...hmmm.
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written by arazak, April 06, 2010 17:40:23
The UMNO-BN regime is getting way too much. They are traitors and have betrayed the peoples' trust!
Wait a minute, I retract the 2nd sentence. . ., we have never trusted them! Never ever trust the UMNO-BN regime.
Remember? UMNO leaders always said during some of their Perhimpunan Agung at PWTC that “penderhaka” or traitors should be killed? Well, the traitors now need to unsheathe their Keris and “sula” themselves first. Or else, the rakyat will do that for them soon. . ., very soon!
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written by savemalaysia, April 06, 2010 17:34:57
But UMNO government said that they already got permission from Allah to sign any contract with Israeli for the benefit of UMNOputras only, so what the ordinary malaysians can do!
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written by Super Admin, April 06, 2010 17:26:07
Dear NanoNano, it is said that the entire program is RM1 billion. You do not need to be a maths genius to figure out what is at stake here.
RPK
written by NanoNano, April 06, 2010 17:14:59
RPK,
We sure would like to know the commissions and profits each of the mentioned parties make!
Subcontract lagi?! But wait a minute, subcontract to enemies of the state?!
Jibby! Lei sei lor!
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On other comments:
written by mob1900, April 08, 2010 04:10:23
Even the world can't touch APCO because its protected by Mossad's top operative!
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written by Susuit, April 08, 2010 01:09:32
Di Parliment, Menteri Pertahanan, Dato Zack Ham-meat-die pernah memberi amaran " Jangan sesiapa terutama pembangkang menyentu tentang keselamatan negera (Kapal selam tak menyelam), ianya akan diketahui oleh musuh kita. Tetapi musuh sudah ada dinegera malah telah menyerap didalam syetem pertahanan. Cakap apa ini Dato Zack Ham-meat-die ?
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written by storm62, April 07, 2010 15:01:26
The Israelis have landed....Bukit tak Aman lagi. Send those traitors to Kamunting NOW!!!
1) Syed Hamid Albar.
2) Musa Hassan.
3) Hishamudin.
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written by Aduh, April 07, 2010 14:32:49
The clandestine co-operation between malaysia and organizations linked to israel is no longer a secret. Thanks to the numerous disclosures by Pakatan... Wonder how the parliamentary select committee is going to hide its lop-sidedness from the international communities when DSAI appears before the committee ?????
beEND law makers who are mostly law breakers have the committee to help them achieve their dirty games. Pakatan does not have any institution in authority to effectively counter that.
Anyway, dont despair. Send a memorandum to OIC detailing all the treacherousness of najis and his goons. Earlier , 145 nations whacked najis on the sodomy ll issue. Lets add more to the list. This time from the OIC. . .
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written by MAMR, April 07, 2010 13:28:23
Comeon Nazri ,here is another chance for you to bring DSAI to Jawatan kuasa hak dan displin.Then suspend him for at least ONE YEAR. Dont you think it is very fair action in a democratic country?However pse remember time will come when you and your UMNO/BN. We all are ready to dump you B......td by the next GE.
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written by Voter get Voters 1, April 07, 2010 13:28:08
have decided to start my OWN Citizen initiative to creat awareness on a " Voter-get-Voters" capaign ( with the blessing of MT..).I decided to print a 3 inch diameter and a rectangular glossy finished sticker with the following slogan
VOTER -get-VOTERS
Its NOW or NEVER
for a BETTER Malaysia
You can stick this stickers onto car back windscreen, rear bumper, bike,helmets, bag,T-shirt,cap,computer, or even beer bottles or cigarete packing during social gatherings or activities whereby it shall be a topic of conversation. In fact this sticker can be stick on anywhere you prefer..anywhere except public facilities. I take no responsibility if you guys decide to stick on public places such as bus stops,lifts,shopping centers and other prominent spots etc etc where the traffic flows is greatest as we are not "BIG Ear Hole" read Tai Yee Loong read Loan sharks.
I shall sent to any readers who are keen to spread this message across the whole of Malaysia .And the good news is it is FREE of CHARGE. I be sending you all about 5 stickers each or more subject to availibilty.All you have to do is to email me your postal address ,your prefer nickname to: voter-get-voters at hotmail.com. Upon receiving this stickers I hope you ALL can get at least 1 new ( D more D merrier) voter and keep them well informed. Who they vote is non of our business. We are 'working' on the behalf of EC ,encouraging ALL Malaysians to do their patriotic duty by registering and voting in ALL elections.
Ps: If this pilot project received a favourable response I shall proceed with buttons, proper car stickers and eventually T shirts
To cast ur vote alone is NEVER enough, start a 'Voter-get-Voters' campaign & keep them well informed
written by Motherchell, April 07, 2010 06:29:39
Folks !lets not forget this Fat Bastard who sprayed acid laced water on innocent protesters. He said that they were a threat to the security of the Nation while he sold the Country bigtime . He made the money for sure, and for what he made from the Foreigners , he keeps his wormed mouth shut and is sitting out in the luxuries accumulated in the years of plunder. Yes this Yemeni pendatang!!!!!
Now the Fat Ass is being protected by the Mossad for sure . My Jewish friends cannot believe UMNOputra scums can be bought so easily and are overjoyed with the nincompoops ruling the Nation.
Admiral Tojo !!---you are absolutely right in your statement!!(written by Admiral Tojo, April 07, 2010 04:56:19 )
I put it in Pictures as it speaks a thousand words for us to keep them in our minds of what these scums look like . Till they are blasted into HELL-- they must be hounded on Earth!!!!!
written by educationist, April 07, 2010 05:31:56
"Provide evidence on the matter... so that it's easy for us to investigate because we can't start an investigation without any evidence,"-if what Anwar had revealed is not evidence, I wonder what is??
-the faster this IGP is retired off, the sooner the police force can begin to rejuvenate itserlf!!
But one thing puzzles me ?
Why malaysia? - it's not that we are of strategic importance to the zionist regime in Israel and can move immense force against them!!!
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written by Admiral Tojo, April 07, 2010 04:56:19
The Mossad has evidence and proof of Najib's and Altantuya's intimacy. Nothing much Jibby can do. It will be political suicide for Jibby to take any action against the Israel link company. Jibby should be charged for TREASON fpr compromising the Country's security.
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written by Davy McChester, April 07, 2010 02:47:00
It is not the end. It is the beginning of known knowledge in the market. It maybe painful facts,but there again when it is common it is no longer of any impact. Go through all the major foreign companies doing business with Malaysia through the local companies which supply arms,high tech equipment,aircraft parts,etc. it is the same case in most cases. You cannot avoid dealing with USA, UK, France, Spain, Belgium,Italy,when the person is a citizen of the country,though he maybe a Jew by race. The Arabs understand this ,and love it ,although outwardly appear like an angry camel ,they still enter into an agreement. They know and understand each other better.
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written by Aduh, April 07, 2010 02:13:16
musang,
Must you have the evidence first before you can proceed with the investigation.???
Show us the same geniusness you displayed in the past when you even succeeded to press fabricated charges based on concocted evidence which eventually found the accused guilty as charged.
Why becoming damn stupid all of a sudden, you lousy P-olice I-nspector G -eneral. ???
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written by arazak, April 07, 2010 02:00:57
Khairi, Nazri and Hissaputing, Why so very quite? Cat got your tongues? Lain kali jangan lebel2kan orang lain spy Israel when your UMNO regime itself opens the floodgate for Mosad. Muka tak tahu malu ke? Jual maruah negara pada Yahudi? You are all traitors you UMNO regime, you have looted our money and now you are selling our country!
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written by kclim, April 07, 2010 01:47:48
Another block buster movie from Bolehland titled " Hollow Cast " with Zionist overtones.
TDM need not get paranoid about " Avatar " now that we have the shadowy " Hollow Cast" on Peace Hill.
There is no more secrets left in Malaysia, now we must dismantle the OSA and promise not to get involved with WMD. The outsiders know everything already. Cheers !
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written by Catharsis, April 08, 2010 20:54:28
The biggest IRONY is we cannot visit Israel But Jews can Visit Malaysia and work in our security zone- HAHAHAHA what a sick joke!!!!!!!!!!!!
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written by datuk tanah, April 08, 2010 19:06:23
UMNO have always been anti Jews. All those years of rhetorics have come to zero with this revelation. It clear that when the issues comes down to corrupt money our evil regime is prepared to sell out the national security to the highest bidder First it was jet engines and now PDRM security systems.UMNO treats Isreal as the énemy'. Today UMNO are the traitors. 'This is the biggest betrayal of this decade outside the missing jet engine issue. Malaysia Bolih!
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written by sedan, April 08, 2010 15:05:22
Jews and Chinese are not the same. Jews are way ahead in terms of classical music, art, film production, scientific advancement, banking and even human rights activism. The best critiques of Israel are indeed Jews.
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written by mikewang, April 08, 2010 13:53:21
Haha... Chinese Jews are not good enough for UMNO.
They must work with the real ones.
The returns must be much better.
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written by avj, April 08, 2010 13:51:37
To the many readers who commented that there is nothing wrong in being a Jew or to be born a Jew, I agree completely. But World Zionism is an entirely different issue, it is no better than Nazism or Kekuatan Melayu. .The issue here is definitely World Zionism.
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written by Hanuman, April 08, 2010 13:10:17
Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhist or Atheist..........they are all humans. The appointment of these Jews in Malaysian Govt services are blown out of proportion because of the prejudices and long harboured hatred and animosity amongst the followers of these 2 great faiths...........which I am more than sure was never encouraged nor taught by their prophets.
Its just like saying a Malaysian cannot work in or with the administration of another country's government other than Malaysia. Please note these are basically professionals unless you can prove that they are spies.
An interesting point to note is there are thousands of Jews, if not millions, working for the American Government. So are we saying they all work for Israel?
Having said that, to some extent, I do agree that some services must be managed and designed by Malaysians only, like the security of our country BUT since BN is so corrupt and has been introducing policies to marginalise the pendatangs including the poor Melayus in the kampongs, where can we get Malaysian Expertise who are able to undertake the tasks?
I blame it all on our Governement rather than the Jews for I believed they are true professionals.
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written by sedan, April 07, 2010 21:25:42
This is a typical Ali Baba operation. Baba thinks he is an Oriental Jew and thus enlists real Jewish expertise to upgrade Ali's safe vaults. In the process, they loot millions of taxpayer's money.
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written by Bullchick, April 07, 2010 21:21:11
The Mossad has probably got Jibby by the balls! Or maybe the PIG has got both his hands on Jibby's scrotal sacs and are squeezing them as hard as he can to extend his tenure as PIG! B K Tan, Goh Cheng Poh @ Tengku; all these sound so familiar! Also maybe carpetman has his hands on the Big Fat Mama's nuts! Wah, this is getting so intriguing and exciting!
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written by sedan, April 07, 2010 21:06:04
This contract with the PDRM should have gone to an Indian software firm. Kindly do your research. But the institutional racism in Malaysia prevent any such notion. Now, the Israelis are upgrading the PDRM's most sensitive systems. Poetic justice
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written by betasigma, April 07, 2010 20:48:13
who knows,may be the Mosaad hav already got hold of a 'threesome' photo of altantuya in paris??? we can't rule out the possibility,can we??
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written by Sashi Nair, April 07, 2010 17:59:20
Dear RPK,
Firstly I am a big fan and still have at least 2 of the Free RPK t-shirts in my closet, met you in Seremban the day or day after you were released from Kamunting. But I am disappointed with the Israel bashing that’s going on.
You know that all Israeli citizens have compulsory army service requirements, so obviously this 2 guys had some military training. The entire article harps on the fact that these guys were Jews. What’s wrong with being Jew? I hate it when PR uses the Jewish bait for votes. Why is this such an important issue that the leader of the opposition has to speak about it in Parliament, are we void of better issues, aren’t there more pressing problems in Boleh-land?
I hate Zionism, I hate the regime in Israel and the fact the learned world leaders will not or cannot put a stop at the genocide in the holy land, but I have no problems with Israeli citizens. So I find all this articles rather disappointing.
Sorry for being the odd one out, but we can do better.
Sashi
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written by a guest, April 07, 2010 15:31:12
Israel is not the enemy here, in this case it is the BN government. The Malaysian BN government are the once that have said that the Israelis are devils and anyone who has any connection with them are bound for hell. So why is BN doing business with the devil?
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written by flyer168, April 07, 2010 05:11:21
Looks like our National Leaders with their "Past Skeletons / Spilled Silver Bullets" are now being used against them to "Control/Squeeze" them by their "Orbs/Juglars" by the "Foreign Powers that be" as "Puppets". The Pandora's Box is opened again another Jaguh Kampung Charade, but this time it could "Backfire" Let us sit back & watch the response from the International Muslim Brotherhood nations on one side, the Shin Bet connections, Israel & the US. "A pound of flesh" payback time will come soon for this "Cry-baby" charade.
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written by Admiral Tojo, April 07, 2010 05:00:15
Yet, the MORON of an IGP says he require more proof. Very CLEAR indeed Pete. Shalom
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written by magickriver, April 07, 2010 02:54:19
Absolutely BRILLIANT, Pete! A thousand and one tabiks to you for uploading these undeniable details. This info has been floating around for almost two years... now it's finally grounded! Go eat shit, Musa.
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written by SoundMan, April 07, 2010 01:00:36
educationist, April 06, 2010 19:50:57
The IGP asks for proof!!
If this is not proof, i wonder what else can be considered as proof!!
The IGP just hasn't got the time!
You must forgive the IGP, the man is under enormous political pressure from both the UMNo types - and the nuisance causing opposition. Marking stacks of Police Reports for action is exhausting. In addition to having his men and boys in uniform get out and about at all hours to arrest and kick a fuss up with the Opposition at their rallies and parties, is no means easy, stretch thin on the ground as they are. In addition, working with the limited brain capacity of his storm troops is an issue he has to wrestle with on a daily basis. Those yobs would do the darners things.
The intelligent bunch get their just deserts with demotions, jail time and court cases. IGP has to keep the gravy pipeline flowing, as it were. Screwing Najib for extra pay for the boys was a tough act, queezing the gangsters for his retirement fund at the self same time....stress, man, stress...
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written by rocky, April 07, 2010 00:04:35
why must they all sub to one supplier? what is the deal there? and direct israel ownership...what is going on? for money, these Malaysian guys will sleep with the devil although some will pray 5 times a day and call themselves good muslim. puiiiii
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written by justice6, April 06, 2010 23:52:43
indirectly Malaysian govt are funding Israel ... mana si Zul tu? ... senyap saja... Brahim also senyap?
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written by lakian, April 06, 2010 23:29:28
I don't reject Isreali to work anf to invest in malaysia.we can supply or buy hi-tec and sorts,nothing go wrong,Allah or God created all living things and this world.discrimination should be asided racialism,and religionism,colorism and no regionism should we emphasize globalism.we must treat and be treated rightiously and fair.do not condemn or being condemned once in either position.same song should we sing and dance.umno can be islreali agent or no so then anwar could be US agent or not.so what is wrong?no one can live independently,no politic can survive without political support either from home or foreign.whelther if you are chinese,arabic,isreali,american...........regardless of nationalism,all are born equal.
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written by panca, April 06, 2010 22:17:49
With money, anything goes with umoOOno! They even sell their own mother's backside!
They can shout all the shit about zionist for all you care but they do the unimaginable.
There is nothing against the Jews per se but just don't condemn them, shouting incessantly against them(khairy oxfart ; oxford is when you use the brain, oxfart is when your brain farts) and misled and keep misleading the kampong folks into believing you are the champion for the religion and Palestinian cause! TDM, is not your tongue wagging too? UmonoOO is full of shit. Hey BTW...can the uncultured and misinformation monster anything to add??? All these pathetic souls are pawned to the devil.
Sure or not they are going to heaven? They pray almost every session of the day and see what they have done?
Don't just conveniently put the blame on the Jews. Just look at the mirror and if you see the man in it - these collaborators known as the champion of race and religion - umooOno.
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written by ak_malaysia, April 06, 2010 21:55:45
Hi Pete. bravo! Gee, how did you get all the charts and info? Now who says RPK simply accuse? Here is the proof.. hardcopies too!
Take good care. God bless and protect you and your family always.
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written by bknight, April 06, 2010 21:50:52
not only that our passport is not allowed to enter israel, a country with we "hantam sekuat kuat nya rejim ganas zioinis" , but they can even have this evil regime's key personnel coming into our country AND sits in the place where they have complete access to our homeland security infrastructure..
ketuanan what ?? my arse!!
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written by Aduh, April 06, 2010 21:40:42
ibrahim ali the frog and mamakdhir the newly recruited messenger boy to perkasa ,
Is the bukit tak pernah aman's isreali connection very much acceptable to your movement's objectives ??? We want to hear from your foaming mouth.
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written by sedan, April 06, 2010 21:21:57
What's the point of banning Malaysians from visiting Israel is Umnoputeras get to go there every time. There are lots of historical places to visit there.
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written by Motherchell, April 06, 2010 20:31:44
UMNO is the only entity who can purchase anything from Israel if they smell money can be made in the bargain!!!!!!!
written by justice6, April 06, 2010 20:30:10
and the idiots are the umno supporters...till now still can't wake up...
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written by betasigma, April 06, 2010 20:25:24
hmmnn...so who dare to say that MT always tell lie now?????it is now in the open engagement mode now...!!!
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written by Sabahfan, April 06, 2010 20:16:22
AND for 50 years, the UMNO has been bullshitting the malays referring to Israel as REGIME ZIONIST and yet here they are giving contracts to the country they condemned like anything But isnt it surprising? wasnt the KLIA built by OSAMA bin Laden? UMNO malaysial govt the greatest hipocrite in the universe UMNO MALAYS pls continue to kiss the azzz of your masters
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written by educationist, April 06, 2010 19:50:57
The IGP asks for proof!!
If this is not proof, i wonder what else can be considered as proof!!
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written by Susuit, April 06, 2010 19:49:51
The only counrty we can't visit is Israel (Enemy of Islamic Nation). Yet on the other hand, they are corporating with them. Cakap tak serupa bikin. Membodoh-bodohkan rakyat sahaja.
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written by a guest, April 06, 2010 19:15:40
When the Umno/BN federal government falls, we will see the like of Mamak Kutty, Najis,C4Rosemok, Musang, Guni and others migrating to Israel. Believe me, I am sure the Israel passports are in their possession by now.
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written by NanoNano, April 06, 2010 19:09:37
And syd, following from what RPK said, due to the nature of Malaysia's relations with Israel, Malaysia is NOT permitted to have any direct or indirect commercial or economic ties with the state of Israel!
Has this sunk in yet, syd?
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written by flyer168, April 06, 2010 19:07:08
Dear RPK,
Congratulations, you have succeeded in your Investigative Journalism as usual to add to the many "Ills" of Bolehland.
The Nation & its Citizens of many Race, Cultures & Religion, etc will "See some Light" at the end of this 41 year old "Tunnel o Despair".
RPK & our "Defenders of Truth & Justice" have done us proud.
Take care Pet & Marina whever you are & may God Almighty continue to Bless & Protect You & family.
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written by youngbags, April 06, 2010 19:04:21
This is Malaysia, as long as it is UMNO then "tak apa la" they are doing our country good. sounds familiar from our Fugly Brahim?
It is enough majority of Malaysians are being fooled by this UMNOs. Lets not allow them to run wild and squandered our country. They will bleed this land to enriched themselves with whichever means possible and i mean whichever way possible. I pity you Malaysians.
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written by betasigma, April 06, 2010 18:48:24
our passport states clearly that we can't go to israel,but some israelist tainted with zionist connection are free to roam here besides making millions from our hard earned tax payers' money cohort with the super-hypocritical umno be end thieves n bandits burning holes on our pockets..what's happening??who is actually jew's agent???anwar or umno???u should know by now!!!!
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written by datuk tanah, April 06, 2010 18:47:45
Mussad has got PDRM and UMNO by the balls. I certainly admire how the Jews do it. UMNO is speechless. They have been painted to a corner again. Let us see how PDRM wriggles out of this predicament.
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written by Wakeupmsia, April 06, 2010 18:36:36
Mampus lah! Not only Malaysia's security being compromised but how will the Muslim world look at Malaysia. Will we have Arabs tourists come here....again?
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written by Awang Kuku, April 06, 2010 18:33:10
Yeah! Make this big news (it is not really news. RPK already highlighted it a year ago) a campaign strategy. Blow the minds of the Malay voters there in Hulu Selangor.
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written by storm62, April 06, 2010 18:32:21
Let's hear it from the rest of the OIC Countries.
No wonder they have an Israel flag at the PWTC.
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written by batsman, April 06, 2010 18:29:30
The inevitable has happened. Singapore military is largely trained by Israeli military. Singapore is largest investor in Malaysia. South Johor is being sold to Singaporeans. Eventually Israeli influence will come into Malaysia through the backdoor of Singapore. We already see it in 1Malaysia (sounds like 1Israel doesn't it?). Looks like the Isreali police and spies are now coming into PDRM.
Those who admire the Zionists better wake up before your brains get scrambled by Zionist influence.
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written by Super Admin, April 06, 2010 18:27:47
Dear syd, first of all, Malaysians are banned from going to Israel. Secondly, Umno says Anwar Ibrahim is a US-Jewish agent. Do I need to say more or are you intelligent enough to now understand what this all means?
RPK
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written by Old Man, April 06, 2010 18:21:35
Hey Ibrahim Katak, where's your Crooked Knife?
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written by syd, April 06, 2010 18:21:03
are we at war with israel? did the israelites bomb or kill any malaysian? Their war is against the arabs, not us. every year, malaysian government buys numerous technical equipment from various countries, including the US, russia, Eu, Uk japan etc. and nobody said a thing. Even singapore buys some technical products from malaysian companies, or malaysian based in singapore. Their water treatment products was given to a lady from batu pahat(not A Yam, but who knows). Compare this to the numerous arab types now in thi country, who are indulging in criminal activities, including snatch theives (my sister a victim) who then use the info obtain in the bag to threaten and blackmail the vicitm. despite police reports as their mobile numbers are recorded, nothing was done by our policemen. I say we should go further and employ israel defence force personnel and even their police force to train our lethargic PDRM.
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written by Angela Ooi, April 06, 2010 18:02:13
The shady dealings of munafique dUMNO makes one sick to the stomach. The Zionists are working on the ONE BILLION $$ for upgrade of communications centre so that PDRM can hammer bloggers who slander the fragant name of stench and gas-filled Roastporkymah. Aisay, this is really2 tooo much!
Vote these BN Bastards out.
VOTER gets VOTERS, you have my vote!!
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written by Aduh, April 06, 2010 17:59:49
A good issue to raise in the Hulu Selangor campaign. It is a subject that is bound to sink easily into the Malay voters' head.
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written by datuk tanah, April 06, 2010 17:58:43
Mussad has PDRM by the balls. Who says the Jews are stupid.
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written by NanoNano, April 06, 2010 17:51:18
Again 1 billione bolehland mullah! I did skim tru the Star and there was an article that said something about this PDRM coms upgrade (didn't quite connect your write up with that). The price quoted was 980 milliones in that article and was wondering coms upgrade that costs 980m. 9.8m is already too much!
Perhaps the package comes with an Israeli satellite plus the launch vehicle...hmmm.
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written by arazak, April 06, 2010 17:40:23
The UMNO-BN regime is getting way too much. They are traitors and have betrayed the peoples' trust!
Wait a minute, I retract the 2nd sentence. . ., we have never trusted them! Never ever trust the UMNO-BN regime.
Remember? UMNO leaders always said during some of their Perhimpunan Agung at PWTC that “penderhaka” or traitors should be killed? Well, the traitors now need to unsheathe their Keris and “sula” themselves first. Or else, the rakyat will do that for them soon. . ., very soon!
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written by savemalaysia, April 06, 2010 17:34:57
But UMNO government said that they already got permission from Allah to sign any contract with Israeli for the benefit of UMNOputras only, so what the ordinary malaysians can do!
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written by Super Admin, April 06, 2010 17:26:07
Dear NanoNano, it is said that the entire program is RM1 billion. You do not need to be a maths genius to figure out what is at stake here.
RPK
written by NanoNano, April 06, 2010 17:14:59
RPK,
We sure would like to know the commissions and profits each of the mentioned parties make!
Subcontract lagi?! But wait a minute, subcontract to enemies of the state?!
Jibby! Lei sei lor!
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On other comments:
written by mob1900, April 08, 2010 04:10:23
Even the world can't touch APCO because its protected by Mossad's top operative!
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written by Susuit, April 08, 2010 01:09:32
Di Parliment, Menteri Pertahanan, Dato Zack Ham-meat-die pernah memberi amaran " Jangan sesiapa terutama pembangkang menyentu tentang keselamatan negera (Kapal selam tak menyelam), ianya akan diketahui oleh musuh kita. Tetapi musuh sudah ada dinegera malah telah menyerap didalam syetem pertahanan. Cakap apa ini Dato Zack Ham-meat-die ?
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written by storm62, April 07, 2010 15:01:26
The Israelis have landed....Bukit tak Aman lagi. Send those traitors to Kamunting NOW!!!
1) Syed Hamid Albar.
2) Musa Hassan.
3) Hishamudin.
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written by Aduh, April 07, 2010 14:32:49
The clandestine co-operation between malaysia and organizations linked to israel is no longer a secret. Thanks to the numerous disclosures by Pakatan... Wonder how the parliamentary select committee is going to hide its lop-sidedness from the international communities when DSAI appears before the committee ?????
beEND law makers who are mostly law breakers have the committee to help them achieve their dirty games. Pakatan does not have any institution in authority to effectively counter that.
Anyway, dont despair. Send a memorandum to OIC detailing all the treacherousness of najis and his goons. Earlier , 145 nations whacked najis on the sodomy ll issue. Lets add more to the list. This time from the OIC. . .
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written by MAMR, April 07, 2010 13:28:23
Comeon Nazri ,here is another chance for you to bring DSAI to Jawatan kuasa hak dan displin.Then suspend him for at least ONE YEAR. Dont you think it is very fair action in a democratic country?However pse remember time will come when you and your UMNO/BN. We all are ready to dump you B......td by the next GE.
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written by Voter get Voters 1, April 07, 2010 13:28:08
have decided to start my OWN Citizen initiative to creat awareness on a " Voter-get-Voters" capaign ( with the blessing of MT..).I decided to print a 3 inch diameter and a rectangular glossy finished sticker with the following slogan
VOTER -get-VOTERS
Its NOW or NEVER
for a BETTER Malaysia
You can stick this stickers onto car back windscreen, rear bumper, bike,helmets, bag,T-shirt,cap,computer, or even beer bottles or cigarete packing during social gatherings or activities whereby it shall be a topic of conversation. In fact this sticker can be stick on anywhere you prefer..anywhere except public facilities. I take no responsibility if you guys decide to stick on public places such as bus stops,lifts,shopping centers and other prominent spots etc etc where the traffic flows is greatest as we are not "BIG Ear Hole" read Tai Yee Loong read Loan sharks.
I shall sent to any readers who are keen to spread this message across the whole of Malaysia .And the good news is it is FREE of CHARGE. I be sending you all about 5 stickers each or more subject to availibilty.All you have to do is to email me your postal address ,your prefer nickname to: voter-get-voters at hotmail.com. Upon receiving this stickers I hope you ALL can get at least 1 new ( D more D merrier) voter and keep them well informed. Who they vote is non of our business. We are 'working' on the behalf of EC ,encouraging ALL Malaysians to do their patriotic duty by registering and voting in ALL elections.
Ps: If this pilot project received a favourable response I shall proceed with buttons, proper car stickers and eventually T shirts
To cast ur vote alone is NEVER enough, start a 'Voter-get-Voters' campaign & keep them well informed
written by Motherchell, April 07, 2010 06:29:39
Folks !lets not forget this Fat Bastard who sprayed acid laced water on innocent protesters. He said that they were a threat to the security of the Nation while he sold the Country bigtime . He made the money for sure, and for what he made from the Foreigners , he keeps his wormed mouth shut and is sitting out in the luxuries accumulated in the years of plunder. Yes this Yemeni pendatang!!!!!
Now the Fat Ass is being protected by the Mossad for sure . My Jewish friends cannot believe UMNOputra scums can be bought so easily and are overjoyed with the nincompoops ruling the Nation.
Admiral Tojo !!---you are absolutely right in your statement!!(written by Admiral Tojo, April 07, 2010 04:56:19 )
I put it in Pictures as it speaks a thousand words for us to keep them in our minds of what these scums look like . Till they are blasted into HELL-- they must be hounded on Earth!!!!!
written by educationist, April 07, 2010 05:31:56
"Provide evidence on the matter... so that it's easy for us to investigate because we can't start an investigation without any evidence,"-if what Anwar had revealed is not evidence, I wonder what is??
-the faster this IGP is retired off, the sooner the police force can begin to rejuvenate itserlf!!
But one thing puzzles me ?
Why malaysia? - it's not that we are of strategic importance to the zionist regime in Israel and can move immense force against them!!!
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written by Admiral Tojo, April 07, 2010 04:56:19
The Mossad has evidence and proof of Najib's and Altantuya's intimacy. Nothing much Jibby can do. It will be political suicide for Jibby to take any action against the Israel link company. Jibby should be charged for TREASON fpr compromising the Country's security.
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written by Davy McChester, April 07, 2010 02:47:00
It is not the end. It is the beginning of known knowledge in the market. It maybe painful facts,but there again when it is common it is no longer of any impact. Go through all the major foreign companies doing business with Malaysia through the local companies which supply arms,high tech equipment,aircraft parts,etc. it is the same case in most cases. You cannot avoid dealing with USA, UK, France, Spain, Belgium,Italy,when the person is a citizen of the country,though he maybe a Jew by race. The Arabs understand this ,and love it ,although outwardly appear like an angry camel ,they still enter into an agreement. They know and understand each other better.
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written by Aduh, April 07, 2010 02:13:16
musang,
Must you have the evidence first before you can proceed with the investigation.???
Show us the same geniusness you displayed in the past when you even succeeded to press fabricated charges based on concocted evidence which eventually found the accused guilty as charged.
Why becoming damn stupid all of a sudden, you lousy P-olice I-nspector G -eneral. ???
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written by arazak, April 07, 2010 02:00:57
Khairi, Nazri and Hissaputing, Why so very quite? Cat got your tongues? Lain kali jangan lebel2kan orang lain spy Israel when your UMNO regime itself opens the floodgate for Mosad. Muka tak tahu malu ke? Jual maruah negara pada Yahudi? You are all traitors you UMNO regime, you have looted our money and now you are selling our country!
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written by kclim, April 07, 2010 01:47:48
Another block buster movie from Bolehland titled " Hollow Cast " with Zionist overtones.
TDM need not get paranoid about " Avatar " now that we have the shadowy " Hollow Cast" on Peace Hill.
There is no more secrets left in Malaysia, now we must dismantle the OSA and promise not to get involved with WMD. The outsiders know everything already. Cheers !
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